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Subject: [Leica] OT (very) The Great Prostate Debate: Does ScreeningSave Lives?: Scientific American
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:11:58 -0800
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On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Aram Langhans wrote:

> Nor do I, Steve.  I was surprised that on my last physical last summer, my 
> doctor did not do a PSA test, and we discussed this very issue.  Perhaps, 
> what has been stated in SA, and other places, continue testing, but delay 
> of treatment, might be the best compromise.  After all, if you test 
> positive for a four or five years, yet have no symptoms, them maybe that 
> is the time to look into it more carefully. After all if you have no 
> symptoms, then according to the new trend of thought, you would not be 
> tested, so delaying any follow up on a positive test is almost the same 
> thing.  I think I will ask for the PSA test this year and then have that 
> discussion with my doctor.


a good point, and good idea Aram...

a tidbit of info that is perhaps important,  virtually half of males who are 
autopsied have evidence of prostatic cancer at the time of death, from any 
cause....

so incredibly frequent, and usually incredibly benign, but not always.....

Steve





> 
> Aram
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Barbour
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:24 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT (very) The Great Prostate Debate: Does 
> ScreeningSave Lives?: Scientific American
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:51 AM, J. Newell wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Speaking as someone whose family has a history of prostate cancer, and of 
>> cases where prostate cancer was correctly diagnosed at early stages so 
>> that treatment could be undertaken at a point when lives were saved, I 
>> have to say - with no personal animus toward anyone here - that I find 
>> this discussion extraordinarily offensive.
> 
> 
> thanks for reading it, and your input John. I am not sure why looking at 
> the data and interpreting it, and discussing it,  is offensive.
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The fact that un- or under-qualified clinicians misinterpret results and 
>> recommend unnecessary treatment does not change the fact that this 
>> screening can and does save lives if done professionally and responsibly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rant off.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>> To: "LUG Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 11:24:38 AM
>> Subject: [Leica] OT (very) The Great Prostate Debate: Does Screening Save 
>> Lives?: Scientific American
>> 
>> keeping this important debate alive...
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-great-prostate-debate
>> 
>> 
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Replies: Reply from sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter) ([Leica] OT (very) The Great Prostate Debate: Does ScreeningSave Lives?: Scientific American)
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