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Subject: [Leica] Collapsible lenses on the M8/9
From: jbcollier at shaw.ca (John Collier)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:17:47 -0700
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Thanks Henning. In the manual, it hints at terrible, but unspecified, 
catastrophes that will surely result. Didn't make sense at the time either 
but I wasn't about to try and then says oops and hope for the warranty to 
cover it.

Even a film M has enough bits and bobs that one shouldn't mount a 
collapsible lens unless it is extended.

John

On 2012-01-14, at 7:45 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:

> All collapsible Leica lenses can be collapsed without damaging an M8 or 
> M9; firing the shutter while the lens is collapsed will also not cause any 
> problem except a poor picture. The ONLY lens I am not sure about as I have 
> not had one to check is the old collapsible 90/4 Elmar. It extended quite 
> a bit into the camera when collapsed. As I've noted earlier, SA 21's and 
> the 15/8 Hologon can also be mounted without damaging anything. Banging 
> the protruding parts into the sides of the cavity is of course not 
> recommended.
> 
> This is easy to check. Get a piece of paper and measure the distance from 
> the camera flange to the shutter and also the diameter of the available 
> opening. Now check this against the protrusion of the collapsed lens, and 
> the diameter of the protruding pieces.
> 
> The new macro Elmar cannot cause any problems as there is no part of the 
> lens which protrudes behind the foussing cam when the lens is collapsed.
> 
> Henning
> 
> 
> On 2012-01-14, at 7:53 AM, John Collier wrote:
> 
>> I double-checked with the technical chap(ette)s from Leica NJ and the 
>> late model 50/2.8 (1995 and on) can be used with impunity. With the 
>> exception of the recent 90/4 macro, which also can be used without 
>> trepidation, all other collapsible lenses should only be used fully 
>> extended and never collapsed while mounted on an M8/9.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Robert wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a modern Elmar 50 2.8 and an M8.  I never tried lens and camera 
>>> together, so out of curiosity, I mounted it just now and took a picture. 
>>>  There was no problem collapsing it.  And it doesn't seem to bottom out 
>>> against the shutter blades.  Although I didn't have the nerve to put it 
>>> to the ultimate test by taking a picture with the collapsed lens.  
>>> 
>>> The Elmar I have is 6 bit coded from the factory, so it must be ok to 
>>> use with an M8 or M9.
>>> 
>>> John wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the instruction manual it states that no collapsible lenses can be 
>>> collapsed on the M8 with the exception of the 90/4 "macro". Just double 
>>> checking that there is no way to collapse the modern 50/2.8? When the CL 
>>> and M5 were introduced, you just had to put a certain width of tape on 
>>> the barrel to limit how far the lens collapsed. Is this possible with 
>>> the modern 50/2.8 and a M8/9?
>> 
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> 
> 
> Henning Wulff
> henningw at archiphoto.com
> 
> 
> 
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