Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/27

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Subject: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:27:52 -0500

I don't find the non destructive aspect such a big deal with 1 or 2 TB hard
disks selling for $99 bucks and layers in Photoshop.
I open a raw file and save it as a .psd Photoshop file after I'm done
crunching it.
I then save that as a .jpg and upload it and/or email it.
Generally next time I don't even work from the .psd file I feel I want a
fresh approach to the image and feel that I've learned enough in that time
to make it better.  I open it in raw again but often I even  clear my
develop settings in ACR Adobe Camera Raw as their is likely to be an update
if not upgrade and I have better tools and a better frame of mind to make
the image even better the second or third time.
And that is always the case.
Ever day in every way I do become a better printer or image cruncher.
And a better person too!

-- 
Mark R.
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/


> From: Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:34:24 -0600
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
> 
> I'm not so sure I understand this non-destructive business. It is supposed
> to be the end-all answer to our problems, and answer to a question that
> seemed without an answer, and yet I've been doing the same thing for years.
> Simple, really, before photoshopping a file, save it with a different name,
> and do all you want to it, the original remains untouched.
> 
> Oh well, I never said I was smart.
> 
> Bill Pearce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Bridge
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:01 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
> 
> On thing not mentioned: Lightroom is entirely non-destructive to your
> images. Everything it does is parametric - that is the changes are done on
> the fly. This is seriously neat and means that your original file is ALWAYS
> there to be edited in its original state.
> 
> Photoshop doesn't do that unless you convert to smart filters.
> 
> It's the creation of masks on the fly that is amazing inside Lightroom. I
> have a bit of an inkling on how it does it, but I sure admire the engineers
> who implemented those features.
> 
> There are tasks that only Photoshop can do. If you need layers and
> compositing then Lightroom isn't it - although you can do much before you
> get to the point where you need those.
> 
> I'm making these points, not to convince Mark that he's wrong, but simply 
> to
> bring out a fundamental and profound difference between the two software
> environments.
> 
> Adam
> 
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
> 
>> http://mansurovs.com/photoshop-vs-lightroom
>> Here is a comparison.
>> There are hundreds of others you could find in a minute.
>> 
> 
> 
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