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Subject: [Leica] Any pointers on taking full moon photos?
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:39:21 -0800
References: <mailman.279.1320899210.1104.lug@leica-users.org> <4EBB63ED.5020103@halcyon.com>

(thanks to all others' advice)

Thanks.

Li Po is a good mandarin approximation. In Cantonese, it's closer to "Lee
Bok"

One project that I will eventually finish is "Facing the Moon," inspired by
his and others' poetry.

"I Toast To The Moon.
With My Shadow There Are Three of Us."

Amazing poet!!!

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Larry Bullis <kingfisher at halcyon.com> 
wrote:

> OOOPS. Forgot something.
>
> The T'ang dynasty poet who is called in the west "Li Po" (someone in China
> will tell us what the Chinese call him - it's different) supposedly died
> when he, seeing the moon reflected in the water, attempted to embrace the
> image. He drowned.
>
> NOBODY would die for a moon which projected an image the same value as the
> Safeway Parking Lot! Nobody! Not me, not you! Nobody!
>
> So, let's think a little basic Zoney Baloney.
>
> If you expose for the moon, using "sunny 16" you will get a moon that is
> ZONE 5! How supremely unromantic!
>
> So, increase your exposure by two stops. That is, let's say you are
> shooting at ISO 100. Your exposure should not be 1/100 @ f/16 (gray moon),
> but 1/100 at f/8. That will give you your zone 7 (white with detail)
> exposure. Then, see if your terrestrial landscape would meter at about
> 1/100 @ f/5.6, or if you wouldn't mind a darker earth, f/4.
>
> I hope to see what you end up with.
>
>
>  Clayton is right on.
>>
>> When I had students a few years back this would always become a topic,
>> especially around this time of year. Somebody would always bring in a
>> picture that was pretty much all black that had a tiny and very fuzzy 
>> white
>> spot right in the middle of it. Tiny because when we SEE the moon it
>> dominates our perception and we ignore the frame, so we forget about
>> everything else. White because it is very overexposed. Fuzzy because the
>> intense exposure of the moon, a tiny spot, would illuminate that part of
>> the emulsion so much that it would become a light source radiating to the
>> surrounding area, exposing it, incrementally diminishing in a circle
>> surrounding the moon image.
>>
>> One very important thing to consider is that the moon is full when it is
>> directly opposite the sun. The time to shoot it if you don't want the
>> result described above is just when the sun goes down. The best time of
>> year to do this is most likely the September full moon, if it happens in
>> late September, or the October if that happens early in the month. That 
>> way
>> you can get the earth and the moon, too, in relative balance. In the
>> summer, the earth will be a bit bright destroying the drama, and in the
>> winter, a bit dark - also destroying the drama but in a different way. 
>> This
>> month could be ideal for an earth that is a stop or maybe a bit more on 
>> the
>> dark side. Just do it right when the moon comes up. Otherwise, what you'll
>> get is just a picture of the moon. Next month? Forget it. It's gone.
>>
>> It's a question of balance. As the sun goes down, the earth gets darker.
>> The moon stays the same. It is just as bright as the Safeway parking lot 
>> at
>> midday. Remember those moon rocks? Gray... So, set your aperture/shutter
>> speed for that, and meter the landscape. If it's a stop or two darker than
>> your sunny 16, you'll get some detail. More than that, no.
>>
>> There has been a fair amount of argument about WHY the moon looks bigger
>> when it just rises. It isn't bigger. It does look like it is, though. Is 
>> it
>> the effect of the atmosphere's operation as a lens? Is it comparison with
>> terrestrial objects? What I think that proves is that our senses are 
>> pretty
>> unreliable. You know, the image on the retina is upside down to what we
>> see. So you believe everything your eyes (seem to) tell you? come on. I
>> think we see what we think we ought to see.
>>
>> Hope this gives you something tangible to work with.
>>
>> On 11/9/11 8:26 PM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote:
>>
>>> Message: 31
>>> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:40:13 -0800
>>> From: Richard Man<richard at richardmanphoto.**com<richard at 
>>> richardmanphoto.com>
>>> >
>>> Subject: [Leica] Any pointers on taking full moon photos?
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>>> Will be trying to take some fullish moon photos in Yosemite (probably
>>> Glacial Point?). Any recommendation besides not use a flash and use a
>>> tripod?:-)
>>>
>>> -- // richard 
>>> <http://www.richardmanphoto.**com<http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>
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