Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/11/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well, why try to remember? I wasn't there. And I like the photo you first presented. What matters is what you give us to see, not really what was there. Every photo is a "fake"; choice of gear, lens, angle, film, process, colour, BW, screen, print, size of the previous two, etc. all influence the results. You like it. I like it. So what's the problem? :-) Don't you worry Aram, you were lucky to be there, and only you saw what you did ;-) And, to spin Adams's metaphor I'm thankful to you for performing this unknown score for us, really. Amiti?s Philippe Le 7 nov. 11 ? 19:01, Aram Langhans a ?crit : > I guess I should read all my digest before replying. Would save > typing. :-) > > I do like exploring this question. How much of what I saw is part > of what I want to convey about how I felt? The only objective > references I have is the raw photos on my screen. Here is one of > them: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/Half+dome-8030-2.jpg.html > > It was taken at -2/3 EV and is in the middle of a series of photos I > used to do the HDR. > > Here is that same photo with a bit of manipulation, including the > lightroom split ND filter and some fill light. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/Half > +dome-8030.jpg.html > > It is more to what I remember, but not quite there. That is why I > tried the HDR, but to me it is a bit too much beyond what I > remember, but the above photo is too dull from what I remember. How > much of what I remember is influenced by the thrill of seeing this > wonderful reflection with a few clouds to boot I cannot say. The > more I look at the HDR version the less I like it, and the more I > look at the manipulated single frame the more I like it. As I said > in a previous post, perhaps it is because traditionally the single > frame manipulation is more familiar to what we (I) expect a photo to > be able to show under such difficult lighting situations, so it > looks more "natural" than the HDR. Maybe I am not skilled enough > (No maybe about it) to use the HDR software to achieve what I > "saw". I have used it before in not so drastic situations and no > one has guessed it was HDR until I told them, so I know that > subtlety can be achieved. I really dislike most of the HDR I see in > magazines and on the web. Some is way over the top, but maybe the > lesser ones are still influenced by what is familiar to me, which > has always been a poor, but believable representation of reality. > > Thanks for all the comments. > > Aram > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 5:23 PM > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Sunset in Yosemite NOW with link > >> AH, this is a very interesting question: >> >> *** >> As for 'is this what you saw", I think the most important question >> is if >> this is what you felt and want to convey. That's what really >> matters (IMO). >> *** >> >> We all change our image to closer our mind's eye sees, but the >> question is >> when is it too far. I do not know. >> >> I do not recall where a reflection is so much stronger than in this >> image. >> That may just mean that I have bad memory or that I have not been >> fortunate >> enough to see it. I'd like to hear what Aram has to say. >> >> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Aram, >>> It's a lovely image! You might try dialing down the saturation a >>> bit, >>> especially in the reflected sky and front trees (easily done with >>> layers in >>> CS). I might also try burning the sand of the beach in. >>> But these are my preferences. The image, as I said, is lovely as is. >>> >>> As for 'is this what you saw", I think the most important question >>> is if >>> this is what you felt and want to convey. That's what really >>> matters (IMO). >>> >>> Keep playing with it. Worst case is you'll learn something! ;-) >>> Bob >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Thanks Bob. Here is the link. >>> > >>> > http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/untitled-** >>> > 8029_HDR.jpg.html< >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/untitled-8029_HDR.jpg.html >>> > >>> > >>> > Over the top? Not? As I said before, the raw files were are bit >>> > understated from what I remember, but maybe this combined one is >>> overstated. >>> > >>> > Aram >>> > >>> > ------------------------------**-------------------- >>> > From: "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 11:39 PM >>> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Sunset in Yosemite >>> > >>> > Did I miss a link somewhere Aram? >>> >> >>> >> Bob Adler >>> >> http://www.rgaphoto.com >>> >> >>> >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:01 PM, "Aram Langhans" >>> <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Nice. I, too, was at Yosemite last week. Captured this sunset. >>> >>> Playing with HDR. Is this a bet over the top or not? The >>> raw files >>> are a >>> >>> bit understated from what I remember, and this combined one >>> may be a >>> bet >>> >>> overstated, but it sure was pretty standing there. >>> >>> >>> >>> Aram >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**-------------------- >>> >>> From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> >>> >>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 4:10 PM >>> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> >>> Subject: [Leica] Sunset in Yosemite >>> >>> >>> >>> We spent last week in Yosemite, the most beautiful place we >>> have >>> seen. >>> >>>> As a bonus, you can drive to many places, hike a mile or two >>> and >>>> then >>> be >>> >>>> back for the cocktail hour. This is a view from our >>> balcony. The >>> tripod >>> >>>> was in the car, so hand-held had to do thanks to the IS >>> thing. This >>> was the >>> >>>> very last light, where everything sort of glows. C&C >>> appreciated >>>> as >>> >>>> always. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Ken >>> >>>> >>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/kcarney/_MG_2943.jpg.**html< >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/kcarney/_MG_2943.jpg.html> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >>> Leica Users Group. >>> >>> See http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug< >>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>for more information >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > ______________________________**_________________ >>> > Leica Users Group. >>> > See http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug< >>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>for more information >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bob Adler >>> Palo Alto, CA >>> http://www.rgaphoto.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information