[Leica] Plagarism

[images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)]

No, you're not mistaken.  Joni Mitchell accused him of plagiarizing the old
labor songs for his lyrics.

Tina

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jean-Michel Mertz <j2m46 at hotmail.fr> 
wrote:

>
> Well, yes, what's being creative? Is it pointing out what we hadn't seen so
> far, putting things in a different perspective and giving us (the reader,
> the viewer, the listener ...) a new insight into the meaning of life, since
> this is what we are all looking for? Is there a difference between
> Giacometti copying African art,  La Fontaine plagiarizing Aesop and Bob
> Dylan using a series of photographies which are not of his own making?
>  Actually, I think there are sources - archetypes - which are part of our
> heritage and which are being reinterpreted generation after generation by
> the ones we recognize - though it does take some time - as poets, artists,
> etc. What do you call new and creative when someone wrote thousands of 
> years
> ago that "the thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that
> which is done, is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under
> the sun." Nevertheless I believe Bob Dylan should be open about his 
> sources.
> I think I've read somewhere that the lyrics of his famous "How many times"
> or even of  "The times they are a'changing" are not really his, but I might
> be mistaken ...Jean-Michel    > From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr
> > To: lug at leica-users.org
> > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:05:28 +0200
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Plagarism
> >
> > Tina,
> >
> > I can't see where the problem lies in fact - a photo is a photo
> > alright, and a painting is a painting alright too - the art is
> > different, the crafting is also different - I dk if it makes sense to
> > anyone, but me...
> > Even though I bet those of us photogs who've used brushes in their
> > lives might concur.
> >
> > Most painters have been using photos or photographic techniques over
> > the years - from the Dutch masters to the super/hyper-realists.
> > Hockney also did both.
> > Most photogs have been influenced by painters, is that a problem?
> > I don't know a good photog who can disclaim this - HCB was so strict
> > on composition, inherited from, guess what ...
> >
> > For me it all boils down to: As a viewer, do I like it, or not?
> > whatever the gear.
> >
> > In the meantime, Van Gogh has now been killed by teenagers. A sign of
> > the times?
> >
> > Bien cordialement de Metz
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > Le 19 oct. 11 ? 16:52, Tina Manley a ?crit :
> >
> > > LUG:
> > >
> > > By Bob Dylan, no less:
> > >
> > >
> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/questions-raised-about-dylan-show-at-gagosian/?ref=artsf
> > >
> > > The other examples I've seen on the internet are exact copies of
> > > photographs, including those by Henri Cartier-Bresson.
> > >
> > > I have had several artists request to use my photos for their
> > > paintings.  I
> > > always give permission with the qualification that they must include a
> > > notice that the painting is based on a photo copyrighted by Tina
> > > Manley.
> > > Looks like Dylan failed to ask permission or even acknowledge that
> > > he uses
> > > photographs!
> > >
> > > Tina
> > >
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