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Subject: [Leica] Plagarism
From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr (philippe.amard)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:30:31 +0200
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Art is a lie ;-)
Sometimes a beautiful one :-)
Sometimes ...
Amiti?s :-)
Philippe


Le 19 oct. 11 ? 20:21, Tina Manley a ?crit :

> Being influenced by another artist is one thing, but this is blatant
> copying.  It's as if he projected the photos onto canvas and traced  
> over
> them.  His Asia "collection" exactly mimics the photographer's Asia
> collection of photos.  There is no creativity involved at all, and,  
> even
> worse, no credit given to the original artist whose work is being  
> copied.
> Dylan claims in the interview that he paints from real life, not
> photographs.  That is obviously a lie.
>
> Tina
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:05 PM, philippe.amard  
> <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>wrote:
>
>> Tina,
>>
>> I can't see where the problem lies in fact - a photo is a photo  
>> alright,
>> and a painting is a painting alright too - the art is different, the
>> crafting is also different - I dk if it makes sense to anyone, but  
>> me...
>> Even though I bet those of us photogs who've used brushes in their  
>> lives
>> might concur.
>>
>> Most painters have been using photos or photographic techniques  
>> over the
>> years - from the Dutch masters to the super/hyper-realists.
>> Hockney also did both.
>> Most photogs have been influenced by painters, is that a problem?
>> I don't know a good photog who can disclaim this - HCB was so  
>> strict on
>> composition, inherited from, guess what ...
>>
>> For me it all boils down to: As a viewer, do I like it, or not?  
>> whatever
>> the gear.
>>
>> In the meantime, Van Gogh has now been killed by teenagers. A sign  
>> of the
>> times?
>>
>> Bien cordialement de Metz
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>> Le 19 oct. 11 ? 16:52, Tina Manley a ?crit :
>>
>> LUG:
>>>
>>> By Bob Dylan, no less:
>>>
>>> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.**com/2011/09/26/questions-**
>>> raised-about-dylan-show-at-**gagosian/?ref=artsf<http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/questions-raised-about-dylan-show-at-gagosian/?ref=artsf
>>>  
>>> >
>>>
>>> The other examples I've seen on the internet are exact copies of
>>> photographs, including those by Henri Cartier-Bresson.
>>>
>>> I have had several artists request to use my photos for their  
>>> paintings.
>>> I
>>> always give permission with the qualification that they must  
>>> include a
>>> notice that the painting is based on a photo copyrighted by Tina  
>>> Manley.
>>> Looks like Dylan failed to ask permission or even acknowledge that  
>>> he uses
>>> photographs!
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>
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>> NO ARCHIVE
>>
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>
>
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> www.tinamanley.com
>
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