[Leica] Re Leica 21mm F2.8 pre ASPH

[mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)]

Glad you're really joining the LUG, Lloyd sorry if I doubted your
intentions; I was out with my 14mm 2.8 Nikor last week and I'm still getting
the hang of that lens I tried a trick which I think Ted Grant told us: I
started way too close to  many of my shots than backed off until the pic
looked good then clicked. I think I got much less shots of a whole lot of
nothing this way. Good luck with whatever ultra wide you pick.
A good choice would be the  16-18-21mm f/4 Tri-Elmar ASPH.
Would compete with the #1 lens in very many top working photographers
arsenal right now. His/her ultra wide zoom.
Your 21 is your telephoto.

The trick to shooting ultra wides is climb right up their nose hairs.
Forget about respecting their "space". Fill the frame or get at least one
thing in the frame big, as it filling half of it or a quarter of it. So you
get a near far thing going in your pic. Otherwise its all like a texture
shot far far away. Like Arial surveillance photography with no loupe.


Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
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> From: Swanny <eazydraw at googlemail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:30:49 +0100
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: [Leica] Re Leica 21mm F2.8 pre ASPH
> 
> I have been reading with interest all the conversations , which have been
> helpful and enlightening,
> 
> Yes it is a brand new M9 and yes i'm putting 'old' lenses on it , however
> being new to Leica & talking with authorised dealers close to me
> (well within 3 hrs drive one way, being a long drive in UK terms) and 
> seeing
> lenses they have , I'm of the opinion that rather than having a body
> with no lens to use it for many months while i save up to get the latest /
> current lenses is a stalling of learning new skills of rangefinder
> photography.
> 
> I live in the UK, I'm Lloyd Pickering (i'm in my late 40's) & my nickname 
> is
> Swanny (from childhood swimming a long story and nothing to do with
> photography at all)
> 
> I have bought online from ebay yes also the online shops of UK dealers and 
> in
> person over the counter,  there are it seems a very short supply of 
> 'current'
> lenses here, 
> before buying my 35 lux (classic) i tried both current 35 F2 and 35 F1.4 
> ASPH
> (not floating) in the end choosing to learn with a lighter, smaller lens 
> with
> no viewfinder blockage,
> for similar reasons i have the 90 tele-emarit M both from Ken Rockwell's
> review and also in trying a 90 F2 and talking to a dealer
> 
> So perhaps as i'm new to the community it helps for you all to realise that
> when you don't have ooodles of cash (M9 came from an inheritance) and a 
> Leica
> was
> primarily bought out of childhood memory my father had an IIIf when i was
> growing up, although i was never allowed to use it (sadly it was lost or 
> sold
> ? as were the lenses over the years before
> he passed on) and as my photography will always be amateur.
> 
> I get LFI magazine which arrived today and interestingly says about my
> proposed purchase "was really not a great catch" , still the new 21 F3.4
> without finder would cost me more than double what
> I'm paying and may not arrive till the end of the year (or so my 
> authorised UK
> dealer tells me) , in which time i shall hopefully got the hang of how to
> shoot with a 21 and perhaps i shall then agree Mark
> with your comments or perhaps i won't , but either way not shooting 21 till
> perhaps well into 2012 (after all not only would i have to await delivery i
> also need to save up to afford it) doesn't satisfy my
> urge to understand what using a 21 is all about.
> 
> I know, I know i hear the groans already why doesn't he buy a VC or other
> non-leica lens ??? well yes i have thought about that and in the end i 
> decided
> after talking to others who 'know" to stick,
> with leica glass on a leica camera. Most of what i've read on the net and 
> in
> talking with UK dealers tells me that yes in time i can move the lenses on
> without losing too much if anything
> (which is great compared with most things in life),however i'm also aware 
> that
> most people regret not keeping lenses that may have faults but they have
> learned to live with,
> after all i'm not looking for perfection just the best i can do as i learn
> about using this lovely rangefinder camera that i bought.
> 
> So when coming across the LUG and seeing on the pages 'don't be one of 
> those
> who join post nothing and leave' i thought great a place to read and learn 
> and
> as time goes on share
> some of the photos i've taken with lenses i've sought thoughts & feelings 
> on
> rather than a place to castigated in?
> 
> So to finish for now I "think i'm enjoying" being on here
> 
> Swanny
> 
> Choosing to see the positives in older things
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 02:53:03 -0400
> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] M lens 21mm F2.8 pre ASPH
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Message-ID: <CA32E70F.11159%mark at rabinergroup.com>
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> 
> The context of the argument is just that.
> Its a brand new M9 the guy just got and now he's putting a 1980 Elmarit 21
> on it. 
> An M8 as Sonny says makes a 21 into a 28mm anyway and much of what an
> imperfect ultra wide optic has not going for it is going to be cut off the
> sides. Making it less of a big deal. (though its a big lens)
> But this guy has a brand new M9.
> 
> By the way we don't know the guys name nor are we able to ascertain what 
> any
> of his work looks like. And it smells just like Lug being eBay helper to 
> me.
> Not the smell of tuna and pasta, but of the lug being played.  It may be we
> have a guy who just hit the bid button and wants feedback in case he "wins"
> but its no big deal one way or the other as the lens will be back on the
> block again in a few months or weeks. I hope I'm wrong. But the guys a
> cipher. And I doubt he was really joining the LUG.
> 
> Ordinarily if someone goes out and buys a brand new M9 and puts a half 
> assed
> optic on the front of it I call that a damn waste.
> 
> But if a guy's just playing with money it's not going to matter one way or
> the other. As "where's the beef?" there isn't any.
> 
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
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> 
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