Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/06/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Unfortunately with respect to distortion, the f/2.8 Biogon has little to do with the 21 Biogon for RF, and the 38, 43, 53 and 75 Biogons for larger formats. Those were all nearly symmetrical designs, like the SA. The new 21/4.5 Biogon is more closely related to those, and again has little to do with the f/2.8 Biogon. For film the 21/4.5 Biogon is outstanding, especially with respect to distortion. Unfortunatly, it really doesn't work on digital M's. When you look at a distortion curve that just keeps on increasing (in the negative direction) as it gets closer to the border, you're dealing with true barrel distortion, which is quite easy to correct. If the distortion heads back to zero again as it gets to the corners, you're dealing with 'mustache' distortion, which generally looks nastier, and is harder to correct due to the higher order corrections required. Retrofocus lenses tend to mustache distortion. The f/2.8 Biogon has this, the Elmarits have this, the Super Elmar has this, the Wide Angle Tri-Elmar has this and the Summilux has more than any of those. Note: the pre-ASPH Elmarit does not have the most. What it has is astigmatism, coma and chromatic aberrations in the corners that is worse than the others; ie, it is softer and has more flare in the corners. When you're at f/5.6 all this is largely irrelevant, as usually other factors conspire to make your pictures not as good as you'd like, rather than the lens faults. But if you want to shoot at f/2.8 to f/4, the other candidates are all better than the pre-ASPH Elmarit in the corners. All this doesn't mean you can't take pleasing pictures with it. One of my favourite lenses is the thin T-E 90mm, which is acknowledged to be one of the poorer performing lenses that Leica made in the last 40 years, along with the 21 Elmarit. Mine is a fairly good example with no flare problems. But I like many of the pictures I've made with the T-E. That's good enough for me. I'm not going to compare it in a head to head resolution/contrast test with the 90 AA, but here I've sold the AA and kept the T-E (and got a late pre-AA Summicron). Use the lenses you like. I would love to have a near zero distortion 21 like the f/4.5 Biogon for my M9, but there isn't one available. So I shoot with other lenses that give me images I like, and use correction software to fix the distortion when that becomes objectionable. It's extremely hard to make a very high performance retrofocus 21 (meaning great MTF and other tested parameters) that also has low distortion. It takes a very large lens that's relatively slow. However, it's possible to correct distortion in software, but most of the other optical faults are not easy to fix, so I'm glad Leica chose the path they did with the new Super-Elmar. It's a worthy 21st. century successor to the 21/3.4 SA. At 8:10 PM -0700 6/28/11, Frank Filippone wrote: >Not to add too much to this "discussion"... The Biogon design, from what I >remember, is one of the most distortion free designs around. It is made in >many focal lengths, including the famous 21 Biogon for Contax RF, and the >really famous 38 Biogon on the Hasselblad SWC. > > >Frank Filippone >Red735i at earthlink.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Henning J. Wulff Wulff Photography & Design mailto:henningw at archiphoto.com http://www.archiphoto.com