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Subject: [Leica] M8 Repair... Update
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:26:15 -0400

I mainly agree Geoff that in Digital each time  you have done all your going
to do to an image and have it at size you then add what ever sharpening is
needed right before you save it as a jpeg.  I will often not just blanket
sharpen the whole image but do a selection via using a gradation in the mask
mode and sharpen that more or sharpen that less.
That's great if a  DMR or M9 makes this less necessary but that it negates
this complexly I somehow doubt sorry!  I'd still like people here do look at
each picture  critically right before you convert it to a jpeg and give it
the proper sharpening it deserves. With the edge towards under sharpening
over over sharpening. And every time I did this I do a quick undo and see
the difference which is usually a thing where I go "I'm glad I didn't forget
to do this". And every time I've seen a shot which has not been sharpened by
me or someone else I always feel like I need to clean my glasses.

Mark

--------------------
Mark William Rabiner



> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 07:44:44 +1000
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] M8 Repair... Update
> 
> With the rationale being that there is no softening from an AA filter and
> you have great glass and technique. OK, but I would qualify the comment by
> adding that it depends on content, intent and output purpose whether some
> sharpening may benefit the result. Its just another tool though.
> I differentiate between some level of capture sharpening targetted at the
> content and output sharpening based on the end purpose (a low resolution 
> web
> JPG in this case.
> 
> Yes I am an evangalist for both forms used tailored for what you want to
> achieve. Don't forget that capture sharpening is interdependent with noise
> reduction (two facets of same tool). Here George has a high frequency
> subject but with most progressively softened (and elegantly) by the DoF.
> A little subtle small radius halo suppressed high frequency capture
> sharpening would make the very fine detail really 'pop' while masking would
> ensure that the softest areas (effectively  very low frequency) are
> unaffected.
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/128264662
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/128264663
> Note that this last is at 100% and was 800 ISO
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/124448398
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> 
> *Life's not black and white, except at both ends*
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> 
> 
> On 1 June 2011 04:21, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are using Leica lenses on an M8 or M9, it is certainly optional.
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't believe sharpening a digital
>>>> file is optional.
>> 
>> Also optional with DMR.
>> As I suspect is also the case with most MF CCD sensors which do not have 
>> AA
>> filtration.
>> Here is an example of frame exposed yesterday
>> processed with 0 image sharpening
>> and no output sharpening.
>> <http://www.imagist.com/blog/?p=5329>
>> be sure to right click for larger image viewing
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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