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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Homeric
From: john.nebel at csdco.com (John Nebel)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:11:38 -0600
References: <4DDEE91F.8030600@csdco.com> <84837A2A-6965-4805-B79C-607EB1ABAEEA@sfr.fr>

Philippe,

Ancient coins were struck except for some bronzes.  The ancient Greeks 
considered coins an art form and in extraordinary cases the dies were 
signed by the engraver. Some engravers' styles were respected and copied 
by other cities. There are numerous debates as to details of 
manufacturing techniques; two major ones are whether magnification was 
used when the dies were engraved and whether the metal was heated before 
striking.  An interesting debate is whether Pythagoras designed the 
unique incuse coinage of several Greek colonies, Kroton, Poseidonia, 
Sybaris, and others in southern Italy in the late 6th century BC, and if 
so, what metaphysical significance the designs may have.

The Protesilaus tetradrachm is about 25 mm, the large image is about 14 
times magnification.  10 times magnification, 12" x 12" photographic 
prints, seem to work quit well for showing beauty and detail, much of 
which cannot be easily seen on the coin with normal lighting and the 
naked eye.

Best,

John

On 5/26/11 11:54 PM, philippe.amard wrote:
> Beautiful detail and tones as usual John
>
> Do you know if these were cast? or stamped?
>
> Thanks all for the explanations already provided on the context.
>
> Bien cordialement de Metz
> Philippe
>
> Le 27 mai 11 ? 01:58, John Nebel a ?crit :
>
>>
>> Inspired by Jim's Homeric photos...
>>
>> http://photos.csd.net/protesilaus.html
>>
>> Mouse over to see reverse, click for an enlargement.
>>
>> The head on the coin is Protesilaus, an Homeric hero; his name is
>> retrograde in the crest of his helmet. The coin's reverse is the stern
>> of a ship with the letters SKIO in the corners of the incuse naming
>> the town Skione which issued the coin in the early 5th century BC. The
>> ship is anachronistic as it appears to be 5th century design, more
>> advanced than those used in the Trojan war around 700 years earlier.
>>
>> "They who held Phylake and Pyrasos of the flowers,
>> the precinct of Demeter, and Iton, mother of sheepflocks,
>> Antron by the sea-shore, and Pteleos deep in the meadows,
>> of these in turn fighting Protesilaus was leader
>> while he lived; but now the black earth had closed him under,
>> whose wife, cheeks torn for grief, was left behind in Phylake
>> and a marriage half completed; a Dardanian man had killed him
>> as he leapt from his ship, far the first of all the Achaians."
>>
>> (Iliad 2.695)
>>
>> Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protesilaus
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> John
>>
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