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Subject: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 00:40:59 -0400

Great writing Mark I'd just like to add that I think that as digital capture
is a clear advance over film capture and I'd like to go right on and state
that inkjet printing is a clear and present advance over darkroom printing
as well.   And I'd like to say that this is not my quirky minority opinion
but I'm just stating the obvious, if not a consensus than darned close and
will be clear consensus quite soon.

I have zero apologies to make about shooting and printing digital.
Its not a cop out. Its not a short cut.  Its where photography has arrived
at this time.
I don't yearn for the glory days of film. I'm  too excited about the pix I'm
creating every day to even try to remember it.


Mark


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Mark William Rabiner
Photography



> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 00:25:05 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
> 
> The Hasselblad and other cube modular cameras can use differed backs.
> That should have shot them right to the front of the pack when the digital
> thing hit but it didn't because the backs cost 40,000 dollars. It did the
> opposite.
> The Camera back is 90 present of the cost of the digital package.
> I don't think that makes it all that more flexible.
> So when the S2 because the S2.1 or S2.b you get a new camera and a second
> body if you think you have to have those cutting edge specs. It does not
> make the results you've gotten from your S2 untenable or unusable. Nor the
> results you'd get from it in the future though you may find yourself a tad
> less "competitive".
> 
> I'm behind the S system I think its brilliant and will prove itself over
> time and be one of the many choices Leica has made  in the past decade 
> which
> will make it one of the top camera companies again. Just a  few years ago 
> it
> was being talked about on the LUG and everywhere else in the past tense. 
> Now
> its very much a prime camera company of the future and present. Everyone
> wants to see that they're up to next. Eyes on them!
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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> Photography
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> 
> 
> 
>> From: Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:38:47 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
>> 
>> Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
>> 
>>>>> 
>> I do fault Leica for abandoning the upgrading philosophy that served
>> them well in the past. Why should any photographer have to buy an entirely
>> new camera to get an improved sensor or microprocessor? The really 
>> expensive
>> parts of the camera, the body, the rangefinder, the viewfinder, and most 
>> of
>> the internal mechanisms remain unchanged.
>> <<<
>> 
>> I suspect that for a camera produced in the thousands (vs. many tens of
>> thousands) a full-frame sensor and the supporting electronics are the
>> expensive parts.
>> 
>>>>> 
>> I would have liked Leica to design a modular digital M camera where 
>> packages
>> of components could have been easily replaced. Failing that, I would have
>> appreciated a digital back for the M and CL cameras. It worked for the R
>> series.
>> <<<
>> 
>> Unfortunately most of the market didn't see the advantages of this 
>> approach
>> in the R series.  Along with improved sensors and processors the market
>> wanted ever-improved AF, storage options, frame rates and other such
>> features.  A few electronic upgrades may be possible without also 
>> upgrading
>> data bus, power supply, heat dissipation, & card writers but sooner or
>> later (usually sooner) the camera's technology as originally built hits 
>> the
>> wall and the upgraded camera's performance will be throttled by a
>> non-upgradeable component.
>> 
>> During the LTM era upgrades were feasible because labor was relativley
>> inexpensive and the pace of equipment technology change was much slower
>> than we see now.  It makes little economic sense to use expensive labor to
>> upgrade an existing camera that will be limited by its older technology
>> when a replacement camera not limited by older components costs less.
>> 
>> Doug Herr
>> Birdman of Sacramento
>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
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Replies: Reply from photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Philip Forrest) ([Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10)
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