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Subject: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
From: jshulman at judgecrater.com (Jim Shulman)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:25:50 -0400
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One of my favorite examples of modular systems gone amok are 8mm movie
cameras.  Most were a very simple box design, with reels mounted either
vertically or front-to-face.  With the advent of automatic exposure, zoom
lenses, reflex viewing, pistol grips, etc. they grew into unwieldy
monsters.  Take a look at a simple Bolex, the C8, and then the P3, which
had included grafts of a power zoom, reflex finder, electric eye, pistol
grip, and so forth.  Canon 8s also underwent a similar metamorphosis.
Only a redesign cleaned up the ergonomics considerably.

Jim Shulman
Wynnewood, PA


-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
mehrdad
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:22 AM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10

there is no future proofing, modular systems become bulky and cost too
much
to build. leica only advantage for us (the users) is the good resell value
when compared to other brands.

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:38 AM, wildlightphoto at earthlink.net <
wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
>
> >>>
> I do fault Leica for abandoning the upgrading philosophy that served
> them well in the past. Why should any photographer have to buy an
entirely
> new camera to get an improved sensor or microprocessor? The really
> expensive
> parts of the camera, the body, the rangefinder, the viewfinder, and most
of
> the internal mechanisms remain unchanged.
> <<<
>
> I suspect that for a camera produced in the thousands (vs. many tens of
> thousands) a full-frame sensor and the supporting electronics are the
> expensive parts.
>
> >>>
> I would have liked Leica to design a modular digital M camera where
> packages
> of components could have been easily replaced. Failing that, I would
have
> appreciated a digital back for the M and CL cameras. It worked for the R
> series.
> <<<
>
> Unfortunately most of the market didn't see the advantages of this
approach
> in the R series.  Along with improved sensors and processors the market
> wanted ever-improved AF, storage options, frame rates and other such
> features.  A few electronic upgrades may be possible without also
upgrading
> data bus, power supply, heat dissipation, & card writers but sooner or
> later (usually sooner) the camera's technology as originally built hits
the
> wall and the upgraded camera's performance will be throttled by a
> non-upgradeable component.
>
> During the LTM era upgrades were feasible because labor was relativley
> inexpensive and the pace of equipment technology change was much slower
> than we see now.  It makes little economic sense to use expensive labor
to
> upgrade an existing camera that will be limited by its older technology
> when a replacement camera not limited by older components costs less.
>
> Doug Herr
> Birdman of Sacramento
> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
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