Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/03/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]One could always go back to what taxes replaced, the corv?e. Get to keep your money, and get a good work out:-) S.d. On Mar 11, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Frank Filippone wrote: > What does collective bargaining have to do with this argument? > > If, like most Engineers ( for example), the public employee had to > negotiate for himself, would it make any difference in the overall > government fiscal picture?? No. > > The company's advantage ( or in this case, Government's advantage) to > collective bargaining is to make the process of employee relations easier > and more efficient .....one stop ...... rather than 10,000 or 20,000, or > whatever individual negotiations..... The disadvantage is that the > contract is so large that it is close to impossible to renegotiate > anything. > Why should a contract be renegotiated? Because there is a change in the > world that is affecting the contract: NO MONEY. Something needs to be done > to balance or attempt to balance budgets, and there are only a few ways to > save money. > > Let's look at the issue of breaking off collective bargaining as a way to > correct past cost ( read that as .. payroll and pension) increases in > contract negotiation.... now you can go ahead with your arguments.... as > an issue of contract negotiation and especially re-negotiation..... to > reduce costs. > > In truth, something NEEDS to be done to balance the recent lower income of > government taxes.... it is now out of hand..... as shown by the number of > states that are about to go bankrupt ( in the technical sense) by decreased > tax income and increased or fixed but too high spending..... Think of it > as > your family finances... what is the first thing you do if you have a big > drop in income? You STOP SPENDING. And then you look for ways to balance > your personal expenses..... Why should anyone think Government is or > should > be different? > > Government spend in 3 ways.....debt repayment on previous projects, current > projects, and pensions. Debt repayment is renegotiated by calling higher > yielding bonds and issuing lower yielding ones.. Current projects can be > scaled back or cancelled ( ever see that one happen?) Pensions are one big > pot of $$$ that could be modified to save costs. > > Pension reform is coming..... if only by the mandate of bankruptcy... no > tax > revenue money = no government money = no pension money = no payouts.... > > Don't even think about floating bonds to make the issue go away... been > there, did that, it is what put us in the mess we are in right now.....it > only puts off the inevitable > > Sorry for all of you out there that do get a pension ( teachers, other > government employees, and you too commercial Union pensioneers, etc....) > but > the reality is that we are living longer, we put $$$ into the system with > the "old" statistics, and the funds that are there are not getting the > returns they used to.... > > When it runs out, it runs out. > > Pension is NOT a bottomless pit. > > Collective bargaining is or should be efficient, not unassailable...... > > Frank Filippone > Red735i at earthlink.net > > > > public employees are taxpayers. > reducing their income further reduces tax revenue, as well as spending > within the economy. > > It seems extremely short sighted > to imagine that stripping anyone's bargaining rights and decimating their > income some how equates to "standing up for the taxpayer;" > unless you're referring to corporate and mega-wealth tax dodgers as > taxpayers. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information Slobodan Dimitrov Long Beach, CA