Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/11/24

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Subject: [Leica] AARRGGHHH!!
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:03:53 -0600
References: <20101124061537.GI771@selenium.125px.com><C9122267.6DF9%mark@rabinergroup.com> <20101124185101.GS1058@jbm.org>

Jeff,

I tried the trial version of Lightroom, and, I agree, it does a fine job of 
editing.  However, I could never overcome my frustration with its image 
organizing features, which choose "their desired path" regardless of what 
"I" chose to do.  I eventually went back to Elements, and have no regrets. 
I save my images in a manner that I choose to use.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Moore" <jbm at jbm.org>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] AARRGGHHH!!


> 2010-11-24-02:01:11 Mark Rabiner:
>> I do really think its just laziness to depend on a image sorting program 
>> to
>> processs your images with.
>
> Now you're just being wilfully ignorant.  Yes, Lightroom includes
> cataloguing features, but to impugn its image-processing chops just
> because it includes more useful photographic-workflow features than
> Photoshop does is clearly just buttheadedness.
>
> It's true that you can still do more stuff to an image with Photoshop
> than with Lightroom.  So sometimes, just sometimes, what needs to be
> done to a given image exceeds what's built into Lightroom.  But for
> the majority of cases, when what you need to do is in Lightroom, there
> are two advantages:
>
>  (1) Since Lightroom is a fresh redesign explicitly for photographers
>      after having seen what photographers use Photoshop for, the
>      action of the control is probably far more straightforward and
>      similar to what an actual photographer in a darkroom would do
>      than whatever dance one would need to do in Photoshop.  Yes,
>      this is no advantage to someone whose brain has already been
>      warped by Photoshop.
>
>  (2) This is the big one: Any given series of adjustments done in
>      Lightroom will have been done with the maximum quality, with the
>      least processing-based destruction of the image.  This is not
>      true of Photoshop.
>
>      In Photoshop, if you tweak something in one direction, then
>      tweak something else, then eventually tweak the early thing some
>      more... well, each tweak applies mathematical algorithms to the
>      data, each step introduces some rounding and imprecision.  It
>      adds up.
>
>      In Lightroom, there's a list maintained of all the tweaks.  It
>      shows you a version as you tweak.  But whenever you tell
>      Lightroom to produce a final output version - for the web, or
>      for print, or whatever - the Lightroom engine takes a look at
>      the whole history of adjustments, cancels out adjustments of the
>      same control in opposite directions, reorders the operations for
>      maximum quality, *then* applies them, optimally and at full
>      resolution.
>
> So: go ahead and use Photoshop if you must, for something you just
> can't do in Lightroom of because you can't manage to make yourself
> learn something new - but know that Lightroom is the highest-quality
> image-processing path, and Photoshop is just a compromise you make
> when you can't or won't use the best tool.
>
> -Jeff
>
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Replies: Reply from jbm at jbm.org (Jeff Moore) ([Leica] AARRGGHHH!!)
In reply to: Message from tgray at 125px.com (Tim Gray) ([Leica] AARRGGHHH!!)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] AARRGGHHH!!)
Message from jbm at jbm.org (Jeff Moore) ([Leica] AARRGGHHH!!)