Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/11/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I shot mainly women and after a while diffused none of them and had no "old" glass to use on them. I just image Googled Karsh (who did photography quite a few women), and Penn, and Avedon and the gals were just as sharp as the guys. Karsh's shot of George Bernard Shaw seems a bit soft maybe from what I can see. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ mark at rabinergroup.com Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > From: Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:37:10 -0600 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)') > > Mark, > > It sounds like you don't shoot many portraits of women, else you would also > add that the portrait lens cannot be razor sharp in all details. This is > why older lenses find favor with those who specialize in this market. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)') > > >> This is nice to read because we're trying to ascertain the best rendering >> best contrast and resolution lens for shooting people faces while >> typically >> on the internet you have to wade through half the guys talking about how >> the >> lens has to not be too sharp and be better off being old; and that is such >> unmitigated claptrap that it makes me want to barf. A portrait lens is >> like >> any other lens. It should be the best lens performer in terms of highest >> contrast and resolution. >> The only consideration is what exact focal length you might tend to like >> for >> such a thing. >> And some people think it should be on the fast side which I don't happen >> to >> agree with either I happen to think that this ultra extreme dof thing is >> not >> common for portraiture is an extreme effect and should be used very >> sparingly. I don't think promotional shots wide open 85 1.4 would cut it. >> They would just tell you its out of focus and re do it. >> "well the eyes are in focus!" >> Well so does a few other things need to be in focus. >> With a ground glass it great to be looking at a wide open groundglass and >> know that the final result you're going to have a lot more in focus. >> Today I shot all day at f 5.6 and f 8 with an f 2 lens. >> Just like the old days. I didn't miss my focase. >> >> -------------------- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> mark at rabinergroup.com >> Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb >> >> >> >> >>> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:16:00 +1000 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)') >>> >>> Depends on what you are trying to achieve in your portrait of course. >>> The Macro Elmar can be made to flare very readily in my experience, >>> rendering results like a much older design. I'd not tolerate that in my >>> other lenses I must comment. >>> Nothing wrong with its resolving power but it is very unlike the modern >>> APO >>> ASPH designs. >>> It also costs a LOT, partly since it is only available (new) as a package >>> with the macro adapter and the angle finder >>> Contrast characteristics are ameliorated in processing providing you >>> expose >>> appropriately of course. For my taste I prefer to have the option of >>> reducing contast and detail selectively from the most modern designs. >>> At least, personally I treat my Macro Elmar as a more specialised lens. A >>> lot of fun to be had with the closer focus attachment though. >>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/122535441 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Geoff >>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>> >>> >>> On 7 November 2010 23:23, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Macro Elmar-M 90mm f4 would have to be at least for me the ultimate >>>> general portrait solution if I had an M9. >>>> If I had a DMR I'd use 60 macro for most portraiture other than tight >>>> headshots which would then bring me to a 100 macro. >>>> >>>> I have two 90 m's the APO Summicron and the 2.8 Elmarit. I'd use both of >>>> them on two M6's at the same time one with color film in it and one with >>>> black and white in most cases. >>>> And I have a 90 Elmar for my IIIF. >>>> >>>> I have a 135 3.4 APO for tight head shots with my M6's or just a more >>>> formal >>>> flat look. >>>> It was the second M lens I ever owned. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> mark at rabinergroup.com >>>> Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:39:49 +1000 >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R >>>>> content)') >>>>> >>>>> I looked at the new shots after posting and recalled that they were >>>>> shot >>>> at >>>>> minimum distance too so that invalidates the comparison of the field >>>>> size >>>> of >>>>> a 90 @ 1m vs. Summicron 75 @ 0.7m If you have the Macro Elmar then you >>>> can >>>>> compare directly yourself of course. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry I don't follow your preference for the APO 90 over the APO 75 >>>>> when >>>>> already have the Macro Elmar but hey whatever makes sense to you of >>>> course. >>>>> Everyone's ideal lens selction is different/ >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Geoff >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>> NO ARCHIVE >>>>> >>>>> On 7 November 2010 11:39, Tim Gray <tgray at 125px.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 07, 2010 at 11:23 AM +1000, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know about prices where you are but here at least the 75 is >>>>>>> actually >>>>>>> "cheaper" new than the 90. I don't have any current used prices >>>>>>> comparisons. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> New is not going to happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway some 75 samples if you are interested. I just went out into >>>>>> some >>>>>>> fairly fierce mid morning light and shot some more close ups vs. my >>>> (Macro >>>>>>> Elmar) 90. I think that you will be surprised. I'll post some >>>>>>> uncropped >>>>>>> comparisons soon >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll be interested to see them. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have the Macro 90 since I feel it makes the perfect travel 90. >>>>>> It >>>>>> gives me a good tight reproduction ratio when you need it, a bit of >>>> extra >>>>>> reach when you need it, and it doesn't take up a lot of space when you >>>> don't >>>>>> need it :) The adapter is also pretty small and lets me focus even >>>>>> more >>>> on >>>>>> something if I am inclined to. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information