Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/11/07

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Subject: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9
From: photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:12:51 -0500
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That's not wrong at all though.
The M9 file was much more blue, a little unreal. Just different
profiles.
The R9 file looked more natural but at the same time there was less
light in the blue end for the camera to work with.

All that aside, Tina could be fooling you all with a Nikon Coolpix 990
for all you know. You cannot tell from looking at a computer screen
what camera took what photo, so making a judgment as to what is right
or wrong is outrageous. If she had posted the original raw files,
maybe, but she didn't. 

Kyle's been wowing everyone with iphone and digilux photos for quite
some time now, proving that if all we do is use the electronic medium
for our work, then there's no reason to have more than 2 million
pixels. 

This can be proved with a D40 vs an M9 or an S2 or whatever. Get a
decent lens (one that doesn't have a wonky front optical unit nor any
decentering issues) of approximately the same coverage and aperture for
aperture, you're not going to see the difference on a computer screen so
long as the smallest sensor is the guide by which all the other larger
images are cropped. It's like trying to judge how good a camera image
is by looking at a newsprint photo.

Phil Forrest


On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:27:32 -0500
Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> If your picking a cropped file from a 5 year old sensor over results
> from a just out current full frame M9 with a 90 Summicron there is
> something wrong with the processing of the files. Or your eyes. Or
> both. Also something very basically wrong with the universe.
> 
> It's like that Wolfgang Pauli guy says:
> "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!"
>  Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!
> 
> 
> 
> And in the movie "Rocky" 1976
> Paulie: I want you outta here instamatically.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> > From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:57:55 -0600 (CST)
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9
> > 
> > Tina,
> > 
> > It kind of re-enforces my preference for R8/9-DMR files over the
> > M8/9 files. Both are good, but the R9DMR beats the M9 as far as
> > color and dynamic range.
> > 
> > Gene
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net>
> > To: "lug" <lug at leica-users.org>, "Leica Reflex"
> > <leicareflex at freelists.org> Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2010
> > 6:06:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Leica] Comparison
> > M9, R9
> > 
> > LUG and Leica Reflex:
> > 
> > Here are two shots from today.  One with the M9 and 90 Summicron:
> > 
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103020
> > 
> > <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103020>and one with the
> > R9, DMR, and 80 Summilux:
> > 
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103614
> > 
> > <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103614>What do you think?
> > 
> > Tina
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tina Manley, ASMP
> > www.tinamanley.com
> > 
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