Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/10/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ok, thanks. Hope you get over your cold. See you Monday. Ed -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Richard Taylor Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:50 AM To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] Daniel's Comments on a Leica EVIL Camera at LHSA Wetzlar My notes have nothing about the X-1 and I don't remember any discussion of it. I seem to remember hearing from elsewhere something about a firmware update, possibly to deal with the slow focus issue. As I understood what Daniel said, the new camera would be totally new and directed primarily at M users. He also said they were looking at a Photokina 2012 announcement date for the new camera. Regards, Dick On Oct 06, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Ed Kowaleski wrote: > Was there any discussion about a X-1 with interchangeable (current M > Mounts) lenses? I assume that the "full frame camera with an EVF" would > not be based on the X-1. > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf > Of Richard Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:33 AM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: [Leica] Daniel's Comments on a Leica EVIL Camera at LHSA > Wetzlar > > Stefan Daniel was asked about the "R Solution" at the LHSA meeting and he > replied with what I felt was considerable regret that it was economically > unfeasible given the current competition in the DSLR market. But, ... > > He went on to talk about the development of a *full-frame* camera with an > EVF that would be primarily directed at M users but that would also take R > lenses with an adapter. They are also considering development of a line > of autofocus lenses for this camera. Let's hope they don't snatch defeat > from the jaws of victory on this one like they did with the X-1. > > Another tidbit: Leica, at least for its M lenses, remains committed to > the development of lenses that are fully corrected optically - no firmware > corrections, please. > > By far the most interesting thing at Photokina was the new Fuji X100 that > Fuji was showing in mockup only but with an operating viewfinder. The > optical finder had projected frame lines and minimal info (shutter speed, > f-stop and ISO) so it was nicely uncluttered. A flick of a switch converts > the finder to an EVF. It uses an APS-C sensor and I saw nothing to make > me think the frame lines were parallax corrected. Cool, nevertheless! > It's about the size of a GF-1. It looks like an interesting camera and I > look forward to seeing some images from it. > > The Wetzlar meeting was a lot of fun, but having signed up for *all* the > tours I ended the week walked out and considerably tired. Maybe I'm just > getting too old for this kind of stuff. :-) > > Regards, > > Dick > > > > On Oct 06, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Richard Man wrote: > >> Ah, so it's not even "may be we will look at it in 2 years, but NEVER" >> :-( >> >> (well not that I use the R systems, but seeing stuff from Doug and >> George, clearly there is something there there) >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp at gmx.de> >> wrote: >> >>> I quote: >>> >>> R-SYSTEM >>> A digital solution in the form of a R10 was not presentable. Such an >>> investment would have been to great for Leica. The development of >>> the S-System cost ?30m. A similar effort for a digital R was not >>> fundable. >>> >>> >>> Not presentable (nicht darstellbar) should be "not feasible" - it's >>> an expression often used by engineers - so what was actually meant >>> above was >>> >>> "we took a look at the idea and shelved it 'cos we couldn't afford >>> it in a month of Sundays, and it wouldn't be profitable even if we could" >>> >>> Cheers >>> Douglas >>> >>> >>> On 06.10.2010 06:00, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>> >>>> Absolutely understandable disappointment for R lens owners of course. >>>> However the expectaiton for a 'solution' this Photokina came >>>> entirely from speculation and desire rather than specific promise. >>>> All largely unremarked here but there has been an awful lot of >>>> anguish and emotional outpouring, dummy spitting, rants and >>>> stompimg out of the room in the (dedicated) L Camera Forum. >>>> >>>> Stefan Daniel told us in mid 2009 that they were working on the >>>> 'suitable solution' but not to expect it before this Photokina etc. >>>> That of course has now slipped further but at least they have >>>> provided some slightly more specific information on the possible >>>> form that it may take (in general terms). I think that Leica Camera >>>> have learnt a lesson there and are less likely to provide any >>>> specific models and developments that are only planned or not. >>>> According to an attendee at the LHSA meeting in Wtezlar Leica >>>> management have now excluded the possible solution prior to photokina >>>> 2012. >>>> Personally I am still stunned tht the S2 development costs were >>>> some >>>> 30 million EURO and I note their comment that other medium format >>>> camera manufacturers occupied something like 50% less floor space >>>> at pk. Not a reassuring indicator for the genre, if unsurprising. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Geoff >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6 October 2010 13:33, Jayanand Govindaraj<jayanand at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Looks like they are working overtime to 'repair their finances' for >>>> the >>>>> time >>>>> being. Can't blame them for that, it is a pragmatic business decision. >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Jayanand >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Geoff >>>>> Hopkinson<hopsternew at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Andy Barton, a MOD on the L Camera Forum has posted a summary of >>>>>> >>>>> responses >>>>> >>>>>> from Leica Camera Executives to a number of questions on Leica >>>>>> products >>>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> policy. >>>>>> You can read it here, even if not a meber of that forum >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/144758-le >>>>> i >>>>> ca-luf-%40-pkina-english.html >>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> // icc blog: >> <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com> // photo blog: >> <http://www.5pmlight.com> [ For technical support on ImageCraft >> products, please include all previous replies in your msgs. ] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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