[Leica] Format output obviousness

[mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)]

Also I was making my prints with a soft light on Agfa Brovira speed 2 and 3;
And he was making his on Kodak Polycontrast garbage with a condenser.
That was a big deal breaker right there. This was before Ilford hit.

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Mark William Rabiner
Photography
mark at rabinergroup.com


> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:03:02 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Format output obviousness
> 
> 
> You ask why because if the next guys images are looking a lot better than
> yours its your obligation to find out what he/she's doing that your not.
> If there's a huge obvious difference in quality between his stack of images
> over yours its proably format. Sensor size. But what ever it is its obvious
> you'd want to know.
> But whatever it is it begs the question in most cases "what camera are you
> using?"
> In my case I when I stared out I was getting a lot better images than
> another photographer down the street who was well known and was making a 
> lot
> more money than I was in Portland Oregon. He made no bones about being
> threatened by the way my prints were looking and I have no secrets as to my
> technique so when he asked me what I was doing I freely told him.
> He was shooting in the studio with studio strobes with a white umbrella and
> tri x.
> I was shooting in the studio with studio strobes with a zebra umbrella and
> Panatomic.
> He went out and got a zebra umbrella. He got more contrast. But still he
> didn't get my quality. In the end when he finally switched to slow film 
> that
> was of course what did it. For the most part.
> In this case we were both using 35mm most of the time so it was not format.
> But if you're using tri x with studio strobes you're being real stupid and
> that should make a big difference. You'd think a guy like him would know
> that but he didn't.
> Also I was using Beutlers. He never went there and it showed.
> You try to keep learning. Watching what's going on.
> How'd that guy do that? Which film did that guy use for those shots?
> Are those shots so good because he used slow film and a tripod? Or medium
> format? You keep looking and asking and you learn what you need to do to 
> get
> your stuff looking the way you want it to look.
> Sound obsesive or ridiculous? Then just keep doing what you're doing and 
> see
> how far you get. Obliviousness never paid. Not that I ever saw.
> 
> 
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> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> mark at rabinergroup.com
> 
> 
>> From: Philip Forrest <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:38:34 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Format output obviousness
>> 
>> What is there to hang up?
>> Is there some "Enter the Dragon" ultimate test of life in which I, or
>> anyone for that matter, will be forced to deduce what size sensor made
>> what image? What about vintage? Will we have to be able to tell the
>> difference between a Nikon D100, D70 and an Epson RD1? After all, they
>> are incredibly similar.
>> If you're looking for the differences in sensor size through the final
>> image, I'd ask yourself "why?"
>> Because it's absolutely irrelevant.
>> 
>> Phil Forrest
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:28:58 -0400
>> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Every portfolio I've ever had or stack of prints; and every stack of
>>> prints other photographers have shown me I've always known which ones
>>> of my prints were 35mm, Medium format, or sheet film and I didn't
>>> have to bother telling them and they didn't have to bother telling
>>> me; as we all knew at first glance.
>>> I can normally easily tell the difference between a full frame
>>> digital image even at low output and cropped format digital output
>>> and I think many people can with any experience. And certainly the
>>> difference between that and point and shoots with sensors the size of
>>> my pinky nail. And the 2x crop in between. And medium format digital
>>> blows me right out of the water at least my eyeballs.
>>> If you can't tell the difference between your large and smaller format
>>> digital output the time to hang it up is now.
>>> Take up audio.
>>> 
>>> --------------------
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photography
>>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>>> .
>>> 
>>> 
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