[Leica] Paypal sting

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On 11 Sep 2010, at 8:50 PM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote:

> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:42:40 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "J. Newell" <john.o.newell at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] EBay Paypal sting - off topic
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>
> John has it right, IMO.? If payment is by PayPal, under their rules  
> you are crazy to ship by any method that is not trackable with proof  
> of delivery and not fully insured.?? I've given up trying to ship  
> things overseas due to the cost, which neither the would-be buyer  
> nor I want to pay. :-(
>
> John Newell

Hi John (and John C.)
I did ship with a tracking number and Paypal still refunded the guy  
his money because the sea shipment was (is) too slow. It took me three  
tries and three hours today to have a conversation with a senior  
dispute settlement officer at Paypal and I managed to get her to admit  
that the money shouldn't have been refunded so quickly - given it was  
a sea shipment. And she put a note on the file that I can make a  
counter claim up to October if I have proof of delivery. So that may  
be some progress.Thank goodness for the tracking!! And, yes, I have  
learned a lesson and will now sell only into North America. Unless it  
is a friend and we have a prior consult about shipping. What will be  
interesting is when the guy has received the parcel, I have proof of  
delivery and then he refuses to pay.
Cheers
Howard