Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/08/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark (well actually to everyone else since you do not read my posts), everything is a trade off, because if not, well, then you will have a D3 that shoots at ISO128K or a D3X that shoots at 24 megapixels. Right now, Nikon is in a bind to improve on either body. The question isn't whether everyone will be shooting at ISO128K *at some points*, but what do Leica users want, or need from Leica and what can Leica *reasonably* made in response to the market pull given their current operating strategy and marketing conditions. And the answer will probably not include ISO128K in the next digital M. Probably very usable ISO1600 and usable 3200. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Paul Caponigro has an article in a better photo magazine on the rack now > this months issue I was flipping through for free spilling espresso on it > in > a chain book store last week. > This comes up on the LUG every few weeks.... Somebody saying in response to > the Nikon D3s triple digital ISO's and I'm sure a Canon to compete and the > not so high ISO's of the M9 at this point. > "Who needs ultra high ISO's?" is the question and in the Leica context > there > is some ultra high glass options we have the other guys perhaps don't. > > Paul Caponigro is this article which caught my eye was saying that any > photographer out there is going to be pushing the envelope on a regular > bases in order to bring home the shot or he isn't really doing > anything..... > > Me I always shoot at auto iso and it doesn't go higher than 1600. > And at 1600 on a D200 with the new CS5 raw noise controls the results are > much more usable than before. I have to redo a lot of the work I'd made > into > Photoshop files from 2006 to 2009. > > Caponigro was saying as I recall to the effect its good to check out the > third party noise control options and be aware of the cameras which enable > you to shoot at higher ISO's. > I'd love to be able to shoot at higher than 1600 speeds I shoot at night > all > the time. And I do miss shots. Too much blur. I'd love to have those shots > back but they are gone. I'd love to know that next time I'm out shooting in > those situations I'd be getting those shots. > > > ISO 102,400 is the boost setting on a D3s > I'm topped out for the most part at 1600 > Lets see > > 1600 > 3200 2x 1 stop > 6400 4x 2 stops > 12,800 8x 3 stops > 25,600 16x 4 stops > 51,200 32x 5 stops > 102,400 64x 6 stops > > > So if I moved up from my D200 to a D3s I'd be able to have 64 times more > light to shoot with or six f stops or shudder speeds. > If I'm doing a shot at F 2 now I'd be shooting at f16 when I get my new > camera and new life. > If I'm shooting at a 15th of a seconds now I move to 1000th of a second > then. > I think literally we are talking about the difference between day and night > here. I'll be easily happy to meet you halfway on it. > 3 stops. > > Realistically instead of f2 at 15th I move to 5.6 at a 60th. > That's six stops but using both I think. > It means no blur for two reasons. > You get it in focas. And you or they are not moving. That's three reasons. > > > > > > -------------------- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > mark at rabinergroup.com > > > > From: Kyle Cassidy <kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:53:53 -0400 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: [Leica] a shot in the dark - life at iso 25600 > > > > Richard sed: > > > >> Why? No offense to Kyle as I am a BIG fan of his photography but when is > the > >> last time you see a ISO 100000 PRINT that you want to hang in your > house? > > > > I don't know what percentage of my photos have, from the outset, the > final > > destination of a frame. There are surely what I consider "art" images > that I > > strive for as much sharpness and clarity as possible, but a good deal of > what > > I do from day to day is more "news" or "reportage" (or whatever), where > > proving that something happened is more important than technical > perfection. I > > think a lot of Leica shooters want the ability to shoot in very low light > > without using a flash. Super high ISO's do increase the amount of > available > > light which is useful available light. Leica shooters, I think, have > often > > been on the forefront of fast film and slow shutter speeds, eeking out > that > > last photon from the candle. > > > > In this instance though a Leica shooter could have used a noctilux and > gotten > > three stops on my shot and done it at 1600, focus might have been a bit > more > > wonky, but someone could do it. Leica's got it's own edge, but I suspect > the > > iso speeds will catch up eventually. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous replies in your msgs. ]