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Subject: [Leica] Was Today is 8/9/10 Now Metric
From: shino at panix.com (Rei Shinozuka)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:20:43 -0400
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http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=inches+in+1.25+miles&aq=f&aqi=h1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CPgRqt29gTPD_MIWWhgSPnOyUBgAAAKoEBU_QPx5C

there's a second answer: "who cares?"

-rei


On 08/09/2010 05:08 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> Rubbish. Tell me, quickly, how many inches to 1.25 miles?
>
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> On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Rei Shinozuka wrote:
>
>> This metric debate led me to find this intriguing site from some Brits 
>> (of all people).  It's an eloquent and cogent expression of why we yahoos 
>> cling to our inches and pounds.
>>
>> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/estatopia/inch.htm
>>
>> Quotes:
>>
>> "Metric is a (scientific) way of measuring the world as if we were not in 
>> it, not a part of it. But we are in the world, we are  a part of it and 
>> we need a measurement system which takes account of our existence and 
>> which allows us to know our place in relation to nature. If we understand 
>> that we are part of nature then we will be less inclined to destroy it."
>>
>> "Those who know their history will know that the metre was invented in 
>> France in 1790 and is, allegedly, one ten-millionth of the distance from 
>> the North Pole to the Equator. The invention of the metre was part of the 
>> Revolutionaries' rational and scientific response to what they regarded 
>> as the superstitions of the past. By contrast, the British Imperial 
>> system (as used by the Greeks and the Romans as well as in 
>> pre-revolutionary France) is anthropometric which means it is based on 
>> the human frame. From time immemorial units of measure have been derived 
>> from the human figure: palm, hand, foot, cubit etc. Some fall out of use 
>> and become archaic but those which remain do so for the very good reason 
>> that they are convenient, practical, easy to understand and, above all, 
>> easy to visualise which is a necessary part of translating working 
>> drawings into a built structure. This was clearly demonstrated to me when 
>> I recently had a garage built. The workmen, all of whom were under 3
>   0 years of age were thinking and working in feet and inches - 18" deep 
> foundations, 4" step etc. When any change such as that wrought in 1965 is 
> mooted, nobody ever consults the real experts, the people who actually do 
> the work. Where theory and practice do not coincide then theory is wrong 
> and practice is right. "
>> "The reasons put forward in support of metric are far from compelling. 
>> They range from the feeble (everyone else uses it) to the dimwitted (we 
>> have ten fingers for counting on). There has never been, to my knowledge, 
>> a logical demonstration of its superiority /in use/ over traditional 
>> measurement. One of the most famous architects of the Modern Movement, Le 
>> Corbusier, used feet and inches to calculate his twin modular system of 
>> design after struggling and failing to work it out in metres and 
>> centimetres."
>>
>> "We have now all been thoroughly brainwashed into accepting the 
>> weatherman on TV and radio telling us the temperatures in Centigrade (or 
>> Celsius or whatever it's called this week). But there is a curious thing 
>> happens during the summer months. When it gets hot outside, the 
>> newspapers and radio and TV start telling us the temperatures in 
>> Fahrenheit with phrases such as "..in the nineties". This is 
>> understandable because talking about temperatures "..in the high 
>> thirties" doesn't quite have the same impact. Nor does talking in 
>> Centigrade give any indication of the /relative/ temperature, i.e. how it 
>> feels to us. Is it hot or cold today? Will I need a coat if I go out?"
>>
>> -rei
>>
>>
>> On 08/09/2010 11:39 AM, Aram Langhans wrote:
>>> Ah, to be metric.  I sure remember the ill-fated attempt in this country 
>>> to "Go Metric".  I had just started teaching in this little town in 
>>> Washington, Odessa.  I was teaching 6-8th grade science.  The law gave 
>>> all kinds of money and materials to schools to teach the kids metric.  
>>> The school looked around at the staff and classes they had and asked, 
>>> "Hmm.  Who should we give this task to.  I know.  Science teachers.  
>>> They use metric anyway."  So the task was mine.  But they also looked at 
>>> all the materials that were send and saw that there was a "lot" of math 
>>> involved, so the said the math teachers could assist the science 
>>> teachers.  Let the fun begin.  The materials, or at least the ones that 
>>> I got, were all conversion based.  Lets teach our kids how to convert 
>>> from the English system to the Metric (or should I say SI) system.  I 
>>> looked at that and said, forget that.  They will never learn it that 
>>> way.  So, the math teacher and I devised an immersion curriculum.  For 15
>   minutes each day (at the start.  It expanded as time went on), we 
> started talking in just "metric".  We would hold up objects and ask what 
> length, volume, mass, etc. they were.  Just "Think Metric".  We went on 
> metric field trips around town, walking about and asking how far that was, 
> sizes, masses, etc.  The kids were really learning the metric system.  Of 
> course, after they left our classes, they were back in the English world 
> again.  It didn't take many years and the school district said stop.  Too 
> bad.  I felt we were really making progress and the students were 
> bilingual in measurement.
>>> This country has always been afraid of change.  From things as benign as 
>>> metric to civil rights.  If I remember correctly, when Canada changed, 
>>> they just said this is the way it will be and did not teach how to 
>>> convert. As Nike says, Just Do It.  Change all the signs, order forms, 
>>> product labels, etc.  Just Do It.  Mass confusion for a bit, but if you 
>>> have to, you will. Of course, any politician who votes for something 
>>> like that would not be reelected.
>>> So, as a scientist and science teacher, I just plug along an in my 
>>> class, we Just Do It until it is second nature.
>>>
>>> Aram
>>>
>>> Aram Langhans
>>> Semi-retired (retarded?) Science Teacher
>>> &  Unemployed photographer
>>>
>>> "The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin 
>>> himself would ever have dared dream."   James D. Watson
>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:07:57 -0400
>>>> From: Rei Shinozuka<shino at panix.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Today is  8/9/10
>>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Message-ID:<4C5FEF9D.40406 at panix.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> On 08/09/2010 03:34 AM, Jeff Moore wrote:
>>>>> While I don't want the world to be boringly culturally homogeneous,
>>>>> there are some things we should all just get with the program on:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Use the metric system, dammit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Metric?  We might as well dissolve the NFL and watch guys in shorts
>>>> maneuvering black and white Archimedean Buckyballs using only their 
>>>> feet.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> But any American born in the 1960s should remember this:
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metric_Marvels
>>>>
>>>> The article closes:
>>>>
>>>> "Ultimately, /The Metric Marvels/ failed to convince Americans to
>>>> convert to the metric system. ... Americans largely ignored governmental
>>>> attempts to push them in the direction of metrication, and the USMB [
>>>> (U.S. Metric Board<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Metric_Board>) ]
>>>> was eventually disbanded in 1982<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982>."
>>>>
>>>> -rei
>>>> (the ugly american, whose favorite lens is the 1.97 inch noctilux)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Replies: Reply from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Was Today is 8/9/10 Now Metric)
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Message from shino at panix.com (Rei Shinozuka) ([Leica] Was Today is 8/9/10 Now Metric)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Was Today is 8/9/10 Now Metric)