Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/05/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Gene, I didn't intend to exclude anyone from that category, it's all-encompassing :) John grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: > I am in the same deranged category as Doug, as I also am very satisfied by > the DMR and its images. > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Nebel" <john.nebel at csdco.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:57:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Canyon Library > > George, > > > Upon rereading the S2 tests and a few other posts on the DPI forums, one > sees > emotion playing a large role. It's unsurprising that a part of the > fashion > industry is quite concerned with fashion. Phase One is in now. I still > think > one can conclude that others say, I hesitate to use the phrase "others > think", > the S2 is a decent camera. In a sense that's too bad, because I usually > prefer > ornery contrarianism, however, it's good for Leica. > > I believe Guy Mancuso wrote that he was burned by being an early adopter > of the > DMR, but then many of Doug Herr's photos appear on a DMR thread > illustrating the > opposite. > > Overall, I must conclude that everyone is at least mildly deranged. > > John > > George Lottermoser wrote: >> First impression: I truly wish I could afford any "medium format" >> digital solution. >> I've spent only an hour with a CFV39 on my 500CM and three lenses. >> This is my only hands-on reference to what the reviewers talk about and >> show. >> >> Add'l impressions: I see the S2 as being in a class by itself; >> neither a D[35]SLR nor a medium format modular back; >> yet a very interesting specialized hybrid. >> >> Personally, short of winning a lottery allowing me to own both S2 and >> CFV39, >> I'd go for the modular back because I'd like to also make use of my view >> camera system. >> The work that people currently pay me to do would make far better use of >> the modular back. >> I do product (including macro), architectural interiors, as well as >> portrait and event work. >> I'm sure I could make the S2 work in those venues - but it wouldn't be >> ideal. >> I'm not aware of Leica's plans re: tilt/shift for the S2 - but I'd not >> want to spend $30K and wait. >> Maximum flexibility of the system is what my "jack of all views" >> photography requires. >> >> If I were a dedicated fashion, wedding or wildlife (again waiting for >> long glass) shooter >> interested in providing medium format quality, >> I'd have to seriously consider the ergonomics of the S2 >> as being better suited to that work than the modular back systems. >> >> As far as the relative image file quality the reviewers discussed: >> it seems most of that was very much about firmware, post processing >> software >> and glass comparison. The Leica glass is apparently top shelf. >> >> Regards, >> George Lottermoser >> george at imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com/blog >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >> >> On May 20, 2010, at 9:22 AM, John Nebel wrote: >> >>> George, >>> >>> I too read them a while back and just reread them. What are your >>> impressions? >>> >>> John >>> >>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>> Thanks John. >>>> I'd read those reviews back when they first posted them. >>>> Yet, happy to review them again. >>>> Regards, >>>> George Lottermoser >>>> george at imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:39 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>> Here is the link: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12243 >>>>> >>>>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>>>> Thanks John. >>>>>> I definitely understand scale, slowness and "thoughtfulness" >>>>>> as they relate to the use of different size camera systems. >>>>>> Do you find that the S2, while definitely not an R, >>>>>> is also not a 'blad with digital back. >>>>>> I'd assume that it lies somewhere between them; >>>>>> probably slightly closer to the 'blad >>>>>> in terms of longer focal length and slower lenses. >>>>>> I'd love to read the reviews you've mentioned a couple times >>>>>> if you can locate the links. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>>> On May 19, 2010, at 6:48 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>>>> George, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, any camera requires quite a bit of thought, but one selects >>>>>>> the things that are worth thinking about. S2 makes the cut. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I appreciate looking into a big photo and seeing lots of detail, >>>>>>> it's life. Howard's trolley picture comes to mind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Until recently that was more in the large format realm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The idea that a hand held camera can routinely do this is pretty >>>>>>> intriguing. One wants to use it like an R, but it is much slower >>>>>>> to work with, however, it doesn't require a Jeep load of equipment >>>>>>> like a P2. With thought and practice one could achieve some pretty >>>>>>> good flexibility with the S2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did notice that two pros who wrote an S2 review used a tripod, >>>>>>> so I'm not going to feel too clumsy for being a slow learner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not a cheap camera, but given its possibilities it is not an >>>>>>> expensive camera. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you seen D. Medvedev's short presentation on photography? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://en.rian.ru/video/20100211/157843279.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>>>>>> okay John, >>>>>>>> yet so were all the other Leicas. >>>>>>>> I assume you're having some fun with the question. >>>>>>>> Yet, I wonder if you find some of the daimons' design choices >>>>>>>> actually "?requires quite a bit of thought," >>>>>>>> compared to other cameras. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>>>>> On May 18, 2010, at 5:47 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>>>>>> It was designed by camera daimons and one must think the way >>>>>>>>> they do to use it properly. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information