Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/05/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]John, If you'd followed Guy over the years you'd see that he's constantly searching for the holy grail. He's tried them all and purchases and dumps systems faster than I can read his reviews. One week he's raving about a particular system or lens. The next week he's discovered "all" its flaws; and it's off in search for the next high water mark. Yes. Of course personal taste, technical specs, ergonomics, and emotion (both healthy and questionable), as well as budget all play a role in our tests, reviews and ultimate decisions. In the end it comes down to "whatever works" for you and your client/ viewer. Regards, George Lottermoser george at imagist.com http://www.imagist.com http://www.imagist.com/blog http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist On May 20, 2010, at 11:57 AM, John Nebel wrote: > George, > > > Upon rereading the S2 tests and a few other posts on the DPI > forums, one sees emotion playing a large role. It's unsurprising > that a part of the fashion industry is quite concerned with > fashion. Phase One is in now. I still think one can conclude that > others say, I hesitate to use the phrase "others think", the S2 is > a decent camera. In a sense that's too bad, because I usually > prefer ornery contrarianism, however, it's good for Leica. > > I believe Guy Mancuso wrote that he was burned by being an early > adopter of the DMR, but then many of Doug Herr's photos appear on a > DMR thread illustrating the opposite. > > Overall, I must conclude that everyone is at least mildly deranged. > > John > > George Lottermoser wrote: >> First impression: I truly wish I could afford any "medium format" >> digital solution. >> I've spent only an hour with a CFV39 on my 500CM and three lenses. >> This is my only hands-on reference to what the reviewers talk >> about and show. >> Add'l impressions: I see the S2 as being in a class by itself; >> neither a D[35]SLR nor a medium format modular back; >> yet a very interesting specialized hybrid. >> Personally, short of winning a lottery allowing me to own both S2 >> and CFV39, >> I'd go for the modular back because I'd like to also make use of >> my view camera system. >> The work that people currently pay me to do would make far better >> use of the modular back. >> I do product (including macro), architectural interiors, as well >> as portrait and event work. >> I'm sure I could make the S2 work in those venues - but it >> wouldn't be ideal. >> I'm not aware of Leica's plans re: tilt/shift for the S2 - but I'd >> not want to spend $30K and wait. >> Maximum flexibility of the system is what my "jack of all views" >> photography requires. >> If I were a dedicated fashion, wedding or wildlife (again waiting >> for long glass) shooter >> interested in providing medium format quality, >> I'd have to seriously consider the ergonomics of the S2 >> as being better suited to that work than the modular back systems. >> As far as the relative image file quality the reviewers discussed: >> it seems most of that was very much about firmware, post >> processing software >> and glass comparison. The Leica glass is apparently top shelf. >> Regards, >> George Lottermoser >> george at imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com/blog >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >> On May 20, 2010, at 9:22 AM, John Nebel wrote: >>> George, >>> >>> I too read them a while back and just reread them. What are your >>> impressions? >>> >>> John >>> >>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>> Thanks John. >>>> I'd read those reviews back when they first posted them. >>>> Yet, happy to review them again. >>>> Regards, >>>> George Lottermoser >>>> george at imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:39 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>> Here is the link: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php? >>>>> t=12243 >>>>> >>>>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>>>> Thanks John. >>>>>> I definitely understand scale, slowness and "thoughtfulness" >>>>>> as they relate to the use of different size camera systems. >>>>>> Do you find that the S2, while definitely not an R, >>>>>> is also not a 'blad with digital back. >>>>>> I'd assume that it lies somewhere between them; >>>>>> probably slightly closer to the 'blad >>>>>> in terms of longer focal length and slower lenses. >>>>>> I'd love to read the reviews you've mentioned a couple times >>>>>> if you can locate the links. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>>> On May 19, 2010, at 6:48 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>>>> George, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, any camera requires quite a bit of thought, but one >>>>>>> selects the things that are worth thinking about. S2 makes >>>>>>> the cut. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I appreciate looking into a big photo and seeing lots of >>>>>>> detail, it's life. Howard's trolley picture comes to mind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Until recently that was more in the large format realm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The idea that a hand held camera can routinely do this is >>>>>>> pretty intriguing. One wants to use it like an R, but it is >>>>>>> much slower to work with, however, it doesn't require a Jeep >>>>>>> load of equipment like a P2. With thought and practice one >>>>>>> could achieve some pretty good flexibility with the S2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did notice that two pros who wrote an S2 review used a >>>>>>> tripod, so I'm not going to feel too clumsy for being a slow >>>>>>> learner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not a cheap camera, but given its possibilities it is >>>>>>> not an expensive camera. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you seen D. Medvedev's short presentation on photography? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://en.rian.ru/video/20100211/157843279.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>>>>>> okay John, >>>>>>>> yet so were all the other Leicas. >>>>>>>> I assume you're having some fun with the question. >>>>>>>> Yet, I wonder if you find some of the daimons' design choices >>>>>>>> actually "?requires quite a bit of thought," >>>>>>>> compared to other cameras. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>>>>> On May 18, 2010, at 5:47 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>>>>>> It was designed by camera daimons and one must think the >>>>>>>>> way they do to use it properly. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information