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Subject: [Leica] Señorita (cropped)
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:02:50 -0500
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I agree with Vince's basic premise.

Further I also see the cropped and original versions
as entirely different photographs.
They communicate quite different messages;
so serve different purposes.

The cropped version becomes a candid street portrait;
and quite a beautiful one. The postcards serve it well.
I do believe it is every bit as "real" a photograph
as the much more complex "narrative" original version.

Regards,
George Lottermoser
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On May 10, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:

> Lluis:
>
> the original version had a narrative, a story, to be seen in it.  
> The cropped
> version has a babe. The first is more intelligent and more  
> interesting as a
> photograph. She is standing, waiting to get something at the  
> newsstand. She
> has detected the camera (? -- that's how it appears) and she has  
> turned to
> look with all the calm and all the composure and all the abiding  
> desire to
> photographed that such a beautiful woman can be relied on to have  
> in her
> possession.  Thus, in this pose, in these circumstances, she is  
> even more
> beautiful, by *reacting *as a beautiful woman would react. She has  
> been
> engaged -- always an electrifying moment with a woman of her caliber.
>
> The cropped version, pfff.
>
> Cropping is good for animal pictures, and flowers; but humans exist  
> in a
> more insistent reality, an actual set of circumstances. When Avedon  
> put them
> before a white drop he made an Avedon out of them but those are still
> circumstances, still a story: the photographer's story. The crop of  
> this has
> none of that integrity. And insolubly the back of the man's jacket  
> intrudes.
> You can't move the line because you'd have to center her, boringly,  
> and
> include part of the stroller behind her.
>
> All in all, go with the original, which is a real photograph. The  
> other is
> meant for a stock agency or a calendar or a weekly newsmagazine and  
> you are
> a way better photographer than that.
>
> Vince
>
>
>
> 2010/5/10 Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>
>> Lluis,
>>
>> The cropped image is very nice.  I feel it is a stronger image  
>> than before.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lluis Ripoll Querol" <
>> lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:02 PM
>> Subject: [Leica] Se?orita (cropped)
>>
>>
>>
>>  Following Peter and oliver suggestions, here is the image cropped.
>>>
>>> Cropped:
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/ 
>>> 2010040314cr.jpg.html
>>>
>>> or the first version
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/ 
>>> 2010040314.jpg.html
>>>
>>> What do you think?... thanks!
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Lluis
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/
>>> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll
>>> Blog:
>>> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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