Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/04/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I sold mine a long time ago, along with my other M series bodies and lenses. I still have a LTM kit, 2 bodies, 4 lenses. I could use 3 more lenses! Such as a 15mm, 28mm, and 135mm. I still use the LTM because they are harder to use, requiring more care and concentration. S.d. On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Richard Man wrote: > I thoguth you have the SA? Why bother with the CV then? > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:22 PM, slobodan Dimitrov > <s.dimitrov at charter.net>wrote: > >> The main thing that makes my 21mm C/V loiter in the camera bag, is that it >> has a look reminiscent of 60-70's Nikon glass. It's a bit brittle in the >> mid >> range. >> Can the lens be re-centered aftermarket? >> S.d. >> >> >> On Apr 3, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Henning Wulff wrote: >> >>> Some years ago I did a comparison for the LHSA Viewfinder of four 21mm >> lenses: the CV 21/4, Ricoh 21/3.5, SA f/3.4 and Elmarit ASPH f/2.8. I used >> to have the older Elmarit, and had compared that lens to the ASPH and SA >> separately, indicating that that lens would have ended up in last place. >> Some other 21's such as the Kobalux lenses also would not have touched the >> ASPH, but some samples were quite good. >>> >>> The Ricoh was the poorest in most respects, but not by a large margin, >> and the ASPH was definitely the best in most respects. The SA and CV >> lenses >> each had strong points and weak points, but both were very useable. Since >> then I've tried a number of newer lenses like the Zeiss 21's, both of >> which >> can compete very well with the Elmarit ASPH and are definitely better than >> the CV 21. But again, they're larger, and the Biogon is even slower. >>> >>> The main problem I've seen with the CV is decentering, which >> unfortunately affects many other CV products. A lot of samples need some >> stopping down to bring some corners into good performance. That's were a >> lot >> of the money goes with Leica lenses. >>> >>> In comparison to the 15 and 12mm lenses, I find that the 21 a) has a lot >> of competition, which the others don't, and b) there's not a lot of >> difference in performance, and certainly the 21 and 15 have a quite >> similar >> character. >>> >>> As for Ken Rockwell's 'tests' and 'opinions', the less said the better. >>> >>> >>> >>> At 1:42 AM -0400 4/3/10, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>>>> Rabs, I said "BY ALL REPORTS" competitive since I have no idea whether >> it's >>>>> competitive or not; just telling you about the *reviews* out there. >> Gandy >>>>> for one but ok he has an interest in the matter. But -- since you've >> already >>>>> mentioned the technically knowledgeable though aesthetically wanting, >> often >>>>> goofy, and I suspect on other fronts dumbass closet right wing, Ken >> Rockwell >>>>> , I offer first this: >>>>> >>>>> *<<This Voigtl?nder 21mm lens is the best 21mm lens ever made for Leica >>>>> cameras, regardless of price....This lens is tiny, and works at least >> as >>>>> well optically as anything ever sold by Leica.....It is as sharp, and >>>>> sometimes sharper, than the $4,300 Leica 21mm f/2.8 >>>>> ASPH<http://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/21mm-f28-asph.htm>to which I >>>>> compared it directly. >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> *How can this be? Probably because this Voigtl?nder lens is only f/4, >> which >>>>> is far easier to design and manufacture than trying to push things with >> the >>>>> modern f/2.8 ASPH lens from Leica, which has to be much bigger and much >> more >>>>> expensive just to retain the same optical quality. It costs a lot in >> many >>>>> ways to add just one stop of lens speed. * >>>> >>>> >>>> I've been harping on this for years on the lug what you just said. The >>>> wonders of slow glass to the effect... >>>> Every once in a while Leica gets smart and gives us a slow option. >> Instead >>>> of listening to the marketing people and making us pay 8 grand for a >> huge >>>> thing you'd not want to carry around all day and have a filter size >> which is >>>> the same size as the platters at the Yankee pot roast family restaurant. >>>> Traditionally in the Leica catalog you got a slow medium and fast >> option >>>> for about very focal length. >>>> The slow lenes are slow. >>>> But will have less flare and result at least as well as not better than >> the >>>> high priced spread. Compact. >>>> So there is a gap which Cosina has filled with the help of the typefaces >> & >>>> fonts from Voigtl?nder and Zeiss family heirlooms. And the power of >> mind >>>> over matter on the part of their customers who want with all their might >> to >>>> think they are buying a Zeiss lens for a few hundred dollars. >>>> I do wish I had some of these options when I was getting my glass in the >>>> 90's >>>> We keep forgetting that we don't need 1.4 to see thought the darned >> thing. >>>> It can be a 5.6 our viewfinder rangefinder is just as bright and sharp. >>>> For many photographers they don't know it but that is their real speed >>>> issue. They just want a bright groundglass. >>>> Well we don't need no stinkin groundglass. We can get sharp as tack >>>> focusing with an f 11 lens. If anyone ever made one. If the did I'd buy >> it. >>>> But I'm been using my twinkie light. >>>> >>>> [Rabs] >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> * Henning J. Wulff >>> /|\ Wulff Photography & Design >>> /###\ mailto:henningw at archiphoto.com >>> |[ ]| http://www.archiphoto.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > -- > // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> > // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com> > // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> > [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous > replies in your msgs. ] > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information