Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/30

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Subject: [Leica] New Digital (?) Rangefinder Rumor
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:13:43 +0100
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And, let us not forget that when we do no additional sharpening in a raw 
convertor, it is exactly that no -additional- sharpening over and above what 
either the camera maker, or software author, set as "standard" for your 
camera, depending on the default profile chosen. AFAIK no raw convertor does 
no sharpening unless you go to some trouble to make sure it doesn't.
Frank D.


On 31 Mar, 2010, at 00:47, Marty Deveney wrote:

> Agreed; you cannot obtain fine detail that was not in the original
> image; worse, when you need more sharpening, as the radius of the
> sharpen increases, you lose even more fine detail.
> 
> Marty
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:53 AM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> 
> wrote:
>> True enough Bob.
>> However, while applying more sharpening
>> does enhance the feeling of sharpness;
>> it does not (for me) achieve the texture of "fine detail."
>> It seems that if the "detail" is not there
>> sharpening cannot create it.
>> 
>> Again these become subjective preferences
>> and depending on the subject matter
>> may be extremely subtle.
>> 
>> It became perfectly clear to me
>> when I put the same Leica lenses
>> on both the 5D and the DMR
>> (with each camera locked onto a tripod
>> and focused on the same subject).
>> 
>> I still enjoy the security
>> of having the Full Frame 5D
>> available as backup;
>> as well as the auto focus C lenses;
>> and the high ISO performance
>> when appropriate and needed.
>> 
>> I'm not trying to put down
>> or slander the Cmos sensors;
>> only noting the differences
>> as I actually, subjectively experience them.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Robert D. Baron wrote:
>> 
>>> George, I think you see what I see.  And I think one has to make up
>>> for the less fine detail in 5D images by applying slightly more
>>> sharpening in the processing phase on the computer to level the
>>> playing field..
>>> 
>>> --Bob
>>> 
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