Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I am with you on this, Henning, Frank and the others who still think that the M9 is a bit over the top. At the same time I understand the economist logic of Vince. The secondary market for the M9 is still very very very small because there aren't just enough M9s on the market - or because people are not replacing their M9s yet because there is no M10. Although I have been contemplating switching to an M9 because of the full sensor, I have more often find myself convinced that I'd better get a differnet kind of a body with a full-sensor (e.g. a Canon EOS 5D mark II) for half the price - with a good lens at that and have two different systems for the different uses I can make of it. And still enjoy the plethora of greatness in the M8. KM -- *** http://imperfiction.com On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com>wrote: > To me the decision was: was the M8 worth $5000 when it came out? > > It was, to me because the RD-1 did not appeal to me and there was nothing > else. > > When I had the chance to buy a $3500 mint M8, I took the opportunity to buy > a second body. Great. > > The M8.2 had one feature which I was somewhat attracted to (the sapphire > glass) and was maybel willing to spend $100 for and two retrograde steps, > so > I passed on that. > > The M9 has one noticeable advantage over the M8, and that is of course the > larger sensor which at this point is worth maybe $1500-$2000 to over the > M8. > It is also slightly slower, which really annoys me. Take away $500 of what > I'm willing to pay. > > That's my current accounting, and while I reserve the right to change my > point of view on this, at the moment the value of an M9 doesn't come close > to the price premium I would have to pay. > > Before I had a day with one, I was considering ordering the camera, and if > it had been in a store, I might have picked one up. After using it that > day, > I adjusted my perceived value of it. At the same price as an M8, I would > rather have an M9. At a premium of $4-5000 it's not close. > > > > > > At 10:08 PM -0700 3/29/10, Richard Man wrote: > >> That's the wrong line of thing. Think M9 as $1500 over the price of then >> new >> M8.2. Clearly, the improvement from M8.2 -> M9 is worth that much. Nikon >> D700->D3, Canon 5DII ->IDs all carry higher premium so Leica is doing >> pretty >> well there. >> >> Now the question is what should a then new M8.2 be $5500? >> >> The answer is the new MP and M7 are $4500.... so the $1000 is, once again, >> not bad. >> >> So why should a new M7/MP be $4500? >> >> Because they take Leica lens, and if you like rangefinder, what choices >> are >> there? (this is a rhetorical question, I know about the Bessa and the >> ZM...) >> >> >> Right now M9 has a backlog of 3-6 months (!) I suspect a good number will >> go >> on the used market in ~2 months. >> >> My guess is that by Sept 09, 2010, you can pick up a used M9 for $5500. >> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at >> earthlink.net >> >wrote: >> >> Absolutely...... >>> >>> I do not have, nor wish to spend, $7K on a camera "box". >>> If Leica had a FF camera at $4K, I MIGHT be tempted..... >>> >>> Just as an aside, I do not understand the rationale for a $7K >>> camera..... >>> other than the obvious, whatever the market will bear..... >>> >>> Frank Filippone >>> red735i at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> I don't. The M9 is an improvement on the M8, for sure, but no way will I >>> spend the current price on one. When I can get one for the price I paid >>> for >>> my M8, I will consider it. >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> blog: < >> http://imagecraft.wordpress.com> >> // portfolio: <http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/PICS/AnotherCalifornia2> >> // mailing lists: <http://www.imagecraft.com/contact.html> >> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all >> previous >> replies in your msgs. ] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > -- > > * Henning J. Wulff > /|\ Wulff Photography & Design > /###\ mailto:henningw at archiphoto.com > |[ ]| http://www.archiphoto.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >