Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Philip Forrest wrote: > Now isn't this coming on the tail end of the $3000 lens is leaps and > bounds better than the $1800 lens thread? But now they are being > compared to a $300 Nikkor? > > As for size, you have several choices with respect to lens design. Even > with aspherics which don't allow for more compactness but for more > correction. > > Super fast lens > Super small lens > Super sharp lens > > You can only have two of these things and the one missing will suffer. > If Leica were to shrink the size of their Summilux line, then the > lenses would suffer from less correction. Leica is making lenses for > digital cameras now which work so much better with retrofocus designs > than older ones in which large rear elements sit millimeters from the > plane of focus. All that glass enables Leica to do things with light > that they have never before. Of course, they could make the design more > conservative but then they would call that a Summarit. Oh yeah, already > done. > If Leica relaxes the designs more the lenses will stick out > farther like the ZM line does. They can't just decide that a new 35mm > ASPH 'lux is going to be the same size as a Pre-ASPH 'cron and make it > happen. If they did, then they'd be holding back some aspect of imaging > quality and the M8/9 can find lens faults like no other system out > there. They are pretty unforgiving cameras, so Leica is just trying to > reconcile their new path in digital photography and trying to optimize > a lens which can hack it on the M9. > > Phil Forrest laws of physics/optics apply as always Phil, so what's your point? Steve > > > > On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:30:21 -0500 > Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBcZ1jaWXRw >>> >>> Look at the lens at 0:59. This is the likely to be the new milux-M >>> 35/1.4 ASPH. Note that the hood design is different from the >>> current version, and the lens itself is also larger. >>> >>> Joseph >> >> >> It's my understanding that unlike the current (late 90's) Summicron >> ASPH 35 the Summilux ASPH 35 blocked the rangefinder for the past ten >> or twelve years. I had the Summicron so it didn't bother me. But that >> was not my excuse for getting it instead of the Summicron I think it >> was not the principle of the thing - it was the money. >> What I expected to see at this juncture was a new design which didn't >> block the viewfinder. Why not? design has come a long way. >> Instead I see one more of the new bloated Leica super lenses. Such >> as the Summilux 21 and 24 and Noctilux .95. I call that real bad news >> especially in this case. As the 35 has always been a lens which is >> small and light and relatively affordable. >> Perhaps there will be a new generation of multi millionaire >> photojournalists who will be using this gear. As is now its a bit >> much for a successful dentist to bite off. >> A 35mm lens when I got my M6 in April of 1993 was the what we now >> call pre aspheric Summicron or Summilux. Both were the same size. >> Both were far lighter and smaller than the aspherics which came out >> as the current models in the late 90's. You put a 35mm lens on the >> camera and forget it. Maybe even didn't use a lens shade. No use for >> a collapsible this glass were near pancakes. A two pancake short >> stack. It a very low key way of working. My Summicron ASPH when I got >> it felt was so heavy that I found it a bit of a bummer. >> What smoothed it over was my sure ability to get stupendous results >> wide open. It was a super lens as far as I could imagine. And all my >> pals were using Nikons and canons so for my lens I could have got a >> half dozen of theirs. But it was worth it. >> To me I call a 35mm lens on a 24x36 format camera I'm used to the >> "bring back the shot" lens. Instead of being hard ass with a 50 or >> artsy with a 24 the 35mm lens is just going to be able to get a >> picture. Other focal lengths can be just too much. So SURE I used it >> wide open a good deal of the time the lens was always on my camera. >> And the camera was always on me. And I'm a night person. >> I was not going to drag the 24 around all day it was twice the size >> and weight and really got in the way. >> But now the 35mm is catching up. I call that a bummer. >> I think that with the use of aspherics a Leica m rangefinder lens >> can be made compact so it dos not block the viewfinder. Instead a >> line of super lenes. The Noctilux should have been reduced to the >> size of the first 1.2. Instead of becoming even more bloated in every >> way. I think if they were smart they would re introduce a modern >> Noctilux 1.2. A Summilux on one or two steroids instead of the lens >> which ate NY. >> >> Its time for Leica to think about some new years de bloating. >> Happy new year half the cultures out there think the new year is in >> March. And you can to. I know I do. >> >> Lets see Leica come out with a lens which is smaller not bigger. >> A lens the size of a pre Summacron or Summilux 35mm. >> Both were identical in size in weight other than the writing on the >> front of the barrel. Or if you measured the f stop. >> >> My 35mm Summicron ASPH in February of the year 2000 cost me $1495. >> A nikon lens at the time cost what 300 dollars? It cost $319.95 now >> so maybe it was 200 usd. So you could get five to eight of them. >> Now a new Summicron ASPH cost 3 grand; the price has doubled. >> But is one of the cheapest lenes Leica has now and I thought there >> was a Leica rumor they were phasing it out. Or I dreamt it last >> night. Same thing. It is now. >> 300 by the way goes into 3000 ten times. >> The decimal system. >> >> The new generation of cutting edge Leica shooters will be doing what >> they always did. Using very old used Leica gear. >> >> >> >> >> [Rabs] >> Mark William Rabiner >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information