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Subject: [Leica] OT Pana GF1 (20 pancake) & Ricoh GRD-III Mark's views now he has a GF1
From: jimlists at spectare.com (Jim Laurel)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:33:55 -0800
References: <3C5EC6A5-C9AD-41A5-BBB8-4186905666E2@gmail.com> <4B68563E.2030000@whitedogs.co.uk> <B550EAD5-8780-40BA-B58A-629BBA277F0E@spectare.com> <4B699931.6050603@whitedogs.co.uk>

Thanks Mark. I haven't made any prints from the GF-1 yet, but I am looking 
forward to it. Right now, I'm trying to get a decent Lightroom workflow in 
place. What's the hot printer these days?

--Jim


On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Mark Pope wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> I really enjoyed your gallery - I'll bet the prints are pretty good too!  
> I'd love to see a print of the young monks meditating.
> 
> At the moment, I don't intend to try M-mount lenses with the camera. I'm 
> hopeful that the 20mm is all I'll need.  At least for the time being 
> anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Pope,
> Swindon, Wilts
> UK
> 
> Homepage               http://www.monomagic.co.uk
> Blog                   http://www.monomagic.co.uk/blog
> Picture a week (2010)  
> http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2010
> Picture a week (2009)  
> http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2009
>               (2008) http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2008
> 
> 
> Jim Laurel wrote:
>> Totally agree with you, Mark. I took one of these little beasts with me 
>> to Burma as an M9 backup, but it ended up logging as many frames as the 
>> M9!  Truly a delightful little camera with great lenses.
>> http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/3708140154/photos
>> I always loved the CL and the Olympus Pen, and the GF-1 is very much a CL 
>> + Pen hybrid brought into the 21st century. One of the most intriguing 
>> things to me is the concept of the lenses carrying around optical 
>> corrections in firmware. I've already gotten some firmware updates for my 
>> M4/3 lenses. I wonder what Barnack would have thought of being able to 
>> update lens designs with software?
>> I used the Voigtlander adapter to mount M lenses, and it worked very 
>> well. Stick to 35mm and longer, though. I did not have very good results 
>> with 28mm and wider.
>> -Jim
>> On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Mark Pope wrote:
>>> Having just taken delivery of a GF1 with 20 Pancake lens, my initial 
>>> thoughts are that I am going to get along famously with this camera.
>>> Likes:
>>> 
>>> - overall build quality
>>> 
>>> - size - not too big, not too small.  Perfect for Goldilocks :-)
>>> 
>>> - ergonomics - it didn't take too long to suss out where everything was. 
>>>  Why though does a camera need a 196-page manual (see below...)
>>> 
>>> - optical quality - which is what really matters isn't it?  The first 
>>> few prints that I have made are nice an sharp and the colour rendition 
>>> is excellent (according to Karin, whose colour vision is much, much 
>>> better than mine).
>>> 
>>> - autofocus - the face-detection and follow-focus features work very 
>>> well indeed.
>>> 
>>> Dislikes:
>>> 
>>> - the battery/SD card door feels a bit flimsy.  It spoils an otherwise 
>>> very nicely made camera.
>>> 
>>> - vertical pictures are not auto-rotated when imported to Lightroom.  I 
>>> subsequently discovered that this feature which is known as the 
>>> 'direction detection feature', isn't supported with the 20mm pancake 
>>> lens.  Not a deal-breaker, but as I like to shoot portrait format quite 
>>> a lot, it's an annoyance.
>>> 
>>> - more modes than you can shake a stick at.  I think the camera was 
>>> dipped in Complicatonite. There are scene modes: 17 of them, plus the 
>>> usual Program, Aperture priority, Shutter Priority, manual, movie, 
>>> intelligent auto, two custom modes and one with an artist's pallette, 
>>> which I have no idea about.  Then there are the flash modes (which I 
>>> haven't looked at yet).  This little camera is very a la mode!   In 
>>> short, I think it, like many other cameras of Japanese origin, is too 
>>> complicated.  Features have been added for three reasons: first because 
>>> the marketers think it's a good idea, second because the opposition do 
>>> it and third because they can.
>>> 
>>> In terms of physical size, the body is roughly the same size as a Ricoh 
>>> GR1 (film compact) with the lens retracted.  The 20mm lens is quite a 
>>> big lens and does add considerably to the bulk of the camera (it's not 
>>> really  pocketable) but the balance is nice.
>>> 
>>> For me, the biggest advantage of the GF1 is definitely the 4/3 sensor. 
>>> I've used it up to ISO 800 and produced some pleasing prints.  Yes, they 
>>> are noisy, but whether the noise is acceptable is a personal thing.
>>> 
>>> Overall, then I think it's a smashing piece of kit.  I haven't tried an 
>>> optical finder yet: that's on its way thanks to Nathan.
>>> Is it better than the GRD III?  Probably.  Whilst the Ricoh is now in 
>>> its third generation, I feel that the small sensor will still be a 
>>> limiting factor in its overall image quality.  I have heard that 
>>> Panasonic are due to bring out a 14mm pancake lens, giving a field of 
>>> view equivalent to a 28mm.  Now that will be an interesting combination!
>>> 
>>> I hope you find this useful.  Pictures to follow, probably when I post 
>>> my PAW on Friday.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Mark Pope,
>>> Swindon, Wilts
>>> UK
>>> 
>>> Homepage               http://www.monomagic.co.uk
>>> Blog                   http://www.monomagic.co.uk/blog
>>> Picture a week (2010)  
>>> http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2010
>>> Picture a week (2009)  
>>> http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2009
>>>           (2008) http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2008
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>> I'm wondering with the recent interest in the Panasonic GF1 with the 
>>>> 20mm pancake lens and an external optical VF, has any used/compared 
>>>> this to the Ricoh GRD-III with its 28mm lens and the optional external 
>>>> viewfinder...
>>>> I 'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, reactions, comparisons,
>>>> appreciated,
>>>> Steve
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