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Subject: [Leica] M9, lag time, perception and other things
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:04:21 -0800
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On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:23 AM, wildlightphoto at earthlink.net wrote:

> My subjects often operate on a time scale that is much shorter than the one
> most of us are accustomed to.  For these subjects the odds of getting the
> posture/behavior I see varies inversely with the time lag between 'see' and
> 'click'.  Even milliseconds matter.


hey Doug, with reaction times like that you should be playing baseball, then 
you could afford the S2...

:-)



Steve



> 
> Doug Herr
> Birdman of Sacramento
> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Steve Barbour steve.barbour at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:53:43 -0800
> To: lug at leica-users.org
> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9, lag time, perception and other things
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:33 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Gary Todoroff offered interesting testimomial. However, are we not
> talking about two different camera systems?
>> 
>> One, the M8-9 rangefinder camera with nothing flipping up and down?
> Compared to an SLR of some kind with flipping mirrors and whatever extra
> screens that move about? Is that not correct? Different systems?
>> 
>> My gut feeling is the more things to go click-clack in the night as the
> shutter is released the greater the opportunity for LAG-TIME to occur?  I
> can understand a lag time occurring. But the M8-9 is camera to eye, quick
> focus.... click! Done! And if there is a delay I don't doubt these are as
> much human reactions involved in what the photographer sees and by the time
> his nervous system creates pressure on finger tip to push click!
>> 
>> And this with the minds eye re-calling "just the moment" seen compared to
> the taken image. If one is experiencing this regularly here's a tip how to
> speed your tripping and nervous system up.
>> 
>> Stand on the side of a highway and focus on the front of on coming
> traffic and do this until you can get 36 rams in a row sharply in focus. It
> works! As it's an old training exercise I have always done for years before
> going to cover world international sports events as tee Olympics. You will
> be surprised how much  faster you become in "SEE-SHOOT-SHARP!"
>> 
>> So far with my M8 I have absolutely no sense of so-called milli-second
> lost moment of what I saw and reacted to faster than I breath and my heart
> beats. This is why I put as much of the LAG-TIME back on the shoulders of
> the photographer than blaming the camera. Meaured or otherwise, we humans
> see and shoot or don't shoot as fast as some of us think we do.
>> 
>> And this is why over the years I have consistently offered.... "YOU CAN'T
> THINK AND SHOOT!" Nor can you think and bat in baseball as Yogi Berra
> offered. There isn't any question, we as humans time measured or otherwise,
> have different see-shoot nerve systems of re-action time and this little
> nerve triggering system is what make great sports photographers  better
> than 99% of all others. Their nerve system  re-action.
>> 
>> I trust this is somewhere along the lines of your thoughts and experience.
>> 
>> But from this side of the screen I can honestly say I have never
> experienced this phenomena knowingly with an M8 or M9.
> 
> 
> my impression too Ted, maybe long in absolute micro/milli seconds, but an
> inconsequential fraction of the time it takes to
> see, think, click....
> 
> 
> I suppose that if the "delay" is below some absolute threshhold, we can't
> perceive it ....
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> cheers,
>> ted
>> 
>> 
>> 
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