Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/01/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:23 AM, wildlightphoto at earthlink.net wrote: > My subjects often operate on a time scale that is much shorter than the one > most of us are accustomed to. For these subjects the odds of getting the > posture/behavior I see varies inversely with the time lag between 'see' and > 'click'. Even milliseconds matter. hey Doug, with reaction times like that you should be playing baseball, then you could afford the S2... :-) Steve > > Doug Herr > Birdman of Sacramento > http://www.wildlightphoto.com > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Steve Barbour steve.barbour at gmail.com > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:53:43 -0800 > To: lug at leica-users.org > Subject: Re: [Leica] M9, lag time, perception and other things > > > > On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:33 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Gary Todoroff offered interesting testimomial. However, are we not > talking about two different camera systems? >> >> One, the M8-9 rangefinder camera with nothing flipping up and down? > Compared to an SLR of some kind with flipping mirrors and whatever extra > screens that move about? Is that not correct? Different systems? >> >> My gut feeling is the more things to go click-clack in the night as the > shutter is released the greater the opportunity for LAG-TIME to occur? I > can understand a lag time occurring. But the M8-9 is camera to eye, quick > focus.... click! Done! And if there is a delay I don't doubt these are as > much human reactions involved in what the photographer sees and by the time > his nervous system creates pressure on finger tip to push click! >> >> And this with the minds eye re-calling "just the moment" seen compared to > the taken image. If one is experiencing this regularly here's a tip how to > speed your tripping and nervous system up. >> >> Stand on the side of a highway and focus on the front of on coming > traffic and do this until you can get 36 rams in a row sharply in focus. It > works! As it's an old training exercise I have always done for years before > going to cover world international sports events as tee Olympics. You will > be surprised how much faster you become in "SEE-SHOOT-SHARP!" >> >> So far with my M8 I have absolutely no sense of so-called milli-second > lost moment of what I saw and reacted to faster than I breath and my heart > beats. This is why I put as much of the LAG-TIME back on the shoulders of > the photographer than blaming the camera. Meaured or otherwise, we humans > see and shoot or don't shoot as fast as some of us think we do. >> >> And this is why over the years I have consistently offered.... "YOU CAN'T > THINK AND SHOOT!" Nor can you think and bat in baseball as Yogi Berra > offered. There isn't any question, we as humans time measured or otherwise, > have different see-shoot nerve systems of re-action time and this little > nerve triggering system is what make great sports photographers better > than 99% of all others. Their nerve system re-action. >> >> I trust this is somewhere along the lines of your thoughts and experience. >> >> But from this side of the screen I can honestly say I have never > experienced this phenomena knowingly with an M8 or M9. > > > my impression too Ted, maybe long in absolute micro/milli seconds, but an > inconsequential fraction of the time it takes to > see, think, click.... > > > I suppose that if the "delay" is below some absolute threshhold, we can't > perceive it .... > > > Steve > > > >> >> cheers, >> ted >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information