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Subject: [Leica] more on the GF-1, the finder, and a portrait of an artist
From: r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:03:33 -0500
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Steve - Right.  GF-1, 20mm pancake lens, 35mm Voightlander optical finder, 
single point autofocus only.  Use it like a rangefinder camera:  put the 
desired focus point in the center of the optical finder, half press the 
shutter, wait for the lens to go zzzzttt, reframe and shoot.  I find that 
this process is at least as accurate on average in dim light as an M 
rangefinder and about twice as fast.  The optical finder is from 
Cameraquest.   

I use my Leica lenses on the G-1, manually focus and frame in the finder, 
look above the camera to shoot in any kind of dynamic situation.  My 
favorite lenses on the G-1 are the 28 Summicron and 50 Summicron, though 
since I got the GF-1 and 20mm lens, the G-1 has been sitting in a drawer.  
With f2.0 lenses I generally don't bother with the focus magnifier.  

Regards, 

Dick



On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:

> 
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Joe - I know you were asking Henning, but since I have both, I thought 
>> I'd comment as well.  I got the GF-1 specifically so I could use an 
>> optical finder with the Lumix 20mm pancake lens.  It's a great 
>> combination.  You can't easily use an optical finder on the G-1.  I use 
>> the G-1 with my Leica lenses, use the EVF for focus and framing, and open 
>> my left eye to decide the moment of exposure. 
>> 
>> They're both great cameras but enough different in use to have both.
> 
> 
> so GF1, Pana 20/1.7, optical VF, sounds wonderful...assume only for auto 
> focus...
> 
> 
> do you use any Leica M lenses with manual focus? what's best in that 
> situation?  where did you get the optical VF,  
> 
> Dick...?  which one? 
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> 
> Steve
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Dick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:15 AM, joe leung wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Henning,
>>> 
>>> I have the G1 and love it's EVF. Is GF1 so much better than the G1 as to 
>>> warrant trading up?
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Joe Leung
>>> (Still in Hong Kong)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com>
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 4:38:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] more on the GF-1, the finder, and a portrait of an 
>>> artist
>>> 
>>> It's quite easy to focus manually. With the latest software you can set 
>>> it to magnify the image with one press of the multifunction wheel, so 
>>> you do that when you focus and then touch the shutter button lightly to 
>>> get back to composing. It's really quite quick and smooth. You can do it 
>>> fairly decently with the back screen as well as the electronic 
>>> viewfinder. The EV is fairly coarse, so while focussing is actuall quite 
>>> easy and possible, it doesn't give you the confidence a higher 
>>> resolution screen would give. The coarseness of the screen might be 
>>> related to the size of the viewfinder, since the better viewfinder of 
>>> the Olympus EP-2 is a lot bigger, making the camera fairly clumsy in my 
>>> opinion. Neither are as good as the electronic viewfinder in the G1, so 
>>> if you're mainly interested in using an electronic viewfinder you're 
>>> probably best off getting the G1, which with lens isn't any bigger than 
>>> the GF-1 with electronic viewfinder in every dimension, and
>>> you get a better and integrated viewfinder and a swiveling LCD.
>>> 
>>> I use the 20/1.7 (since October) mostly with the GF-1 with the VC 
>>> mini-28-35 finder, and sometimes Leica lenses from 35 on up. The shorter 
>>> lenses haven't produced satisfactory results, and now that I have the 20 
>>> haven't been as important.
>>> 
>>> I especially like the 50 ASPH; easy to focus, high speed and a good 
>>> portrait length without being too big. The 75/1.4 is also excellent, but 
>>> starts being a bit of a handful. The interesting thing is that as you 
>>> stop down, the view through the viewfinder doesn't get darker but the 
>>> dof increases.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wonderful, Kyle. By coincidence, I received my GF-1 today and have 
>>>>> tested it a bit this afternoon, inside a bar and on the street. Very 
>>>>> pleasant indeed. I got it with the 1.7/20mm lens too, but I also have 
>>>>> the M-MFT adapter, so tomorrow I will test it with my M lenses.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> this all sounds like a very attractive combination, especially with the 
>>>> Pana 20mm 1.7 lens. If you use it with the electronic viewfinder, 
>>>> adapter, and manual focus M lenses, how easy is focussing through the 
>>>> viewfinder? compared to the LCD screen ? Is focussing easy enough to 
>>>> attract people who care to frequently use their leica M lenses with 
>>>> manual focus?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Kyle Cassidy wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm finding the GF-1 with the 20mm f 1.7 an awesome ... really, 
>>>>>> substitute for what I used to use my Leica for. Though it gets noisy 
>>>>>> at 400 asa, the lens is fast enough and sharp enough that I'm finding 
>>>>>> it not difficult to shoot in relatively low light situations at 100 
>>>>>> or 200 ASA and for on-the-fly portraits, it's been fabulous -- two 
>>>>>> photos of the painter John Ennis (www.johnennis.com)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.kylecassidy.com/lj/2010/john-ennis-1.jpg
>>>>>> http://www.kylecassidy.com/lj/2010/john-ennis-2.jpg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I really like having JUST A CAMERA in my _pocket_. It seems when I 
>>>>>> leave the house with the Leica d700 I'm always thinking "well, I need 
>>>>>> to take the 85 1.8 because it's an awesome lens. but it's too 
>>>>>> telephoto for a lot of stuff, so i'd better take a mid range zoom. 
>>>>>> Oh, and heck, the room might be crowded, so I'd better bring the 
>>>>>> fisheye, cause it's small and all. Heck, if I'm bringing that I 
>>>>>> should bring a flash, and I can't bring the flash without the cable, 
>>>>>> because on camera flash blows......" and now my back hurts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The electronic viewfinder (i wanted to do a macro through the lens 
>>>>>> but it's not in the cards) isn't a gimic -- its really useful. I MUCH 
>>>>>> MUCH MUCH prefer shooting through a viewfinder to using the screen on 
>>>>>> the back of the camera, i'd consider the finder part of the camera 
>>>>>> (i.e. don't get one without the other). it's a low resolution LCD but 
>>>>>> it's fine for composing, you know what the scene looks like (if you 
>>>>>> forget, just open your other eye). i don't think an optical finder 
>>>>>> will work nearly as well, because you have your exposure and FOCUS 
>>>>>> info in the electronic finder as well and you needs that. you can 
>>>>>> also change the angle of the finder and look straight down into it if 
>>>>>> you'd like, useful for shooting straight up or around corners (you 
>>>>>> can totally hold the camera around a corner and look through the 
>>>>>> finder -- i don't know why you would, but you can).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> it's surprisingly loud. the shutter goes off with a "CLICK" you can 
>>>>>> feel, seriously, it's like a tiny mousetrap went off inside the 
>>>>>> camera. by default focus is also acknowledged by a chirp (you can 
>>>>>> turn off sounds).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and it's FAST, like a lot faster than i can wind and shoot a leica 
>>>>>> (you can probably kick it's butt with a rapidwinder, but you won't 
>>>>>> accidentally stab yourself in the leg with this one. This really is 
>>>>>> the digital LikaLeica I've been waiting for.  It just needs a couple 
>>>>>> of stickers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am totally listening to Led Zeppelin IV right now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> kc
>>>>>> 
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