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Subject: [Leica] Why the mad rush / toxicity / DARKROOMS & CHEMICALS.
From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr (Philippe Amard)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:38:31 +0100
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Maybe I'm mad, but I still miss the smell,
And the yellowish nails,
They probably mean to me I was young,
When I longued for a Leitz/Leica/Leica Camera AG ...


But I still DO =-O

Phx, still waiting for an R9.2 diesel



tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote:

> Darkrooms and chemicals etc:
>
> I suppose my first exposure to hands in wet photo chemical trays 
> would've been June 1949!
> Right up to about 5-6 years ago when we went all digital. Trust me 
> I'll never go back no matter what anyone croons about the joys of the 
> good old days being in the darkroom! Hey I loved it, it was my quiet 
> time of true silence! Relaxing accept when making 16X20 fine art 
> prints.... lots of tension during those times with absolutely no one 
> ever saying a word! Total silence and mental concentration on the 
> print making! A peep from anyone and they were out & gone!
>
> During the 57 years I never used gloves, occasionally tongs, but you 
> can't soup 25 prints at one batch flipping prints over and over with 
> tongs... Hands only! My record for souping prints in one batch? 55 
> prints dropped into the tray one right after the other by an assistant 
> while I was flipping one print after the other in the chemicals. Then 
> through the other trays to washer. My good fortune? I never 
> experienced any hand or finger nail staining.
>
> As far as I know from lung x-rays during other conditions, no damage 
> or any other chemical influence inside  the lungs has ever been picked 
> up. By the same token a couple of my buddies, now long gone due to 
> lung cancer or other deadly lung maladies, there was a question if 
> their deaths were due to long time darkroom mixing chemicals and hands 
> in the wet trays. Generally pasted off with, "Naw that kind of stuff 
> never bothers anyone. He was a smoker and died from that!" However? 
> Did it? Was it maybe the chemicals?
>
> When I was developing prints as soon as I finished  I always washed my 
> hands in the stop bath, acetic acid & water. Then do the same thing in 
> the fixer tray.... Followed by a good water washing. Did that or was 
> that why I didn't have any staining as many others did? Or other 
> bodily influences?
>
> I'm glad digital came along when it finally did, although it was 45 
> years too late for what it could of done during my career.
>
> Dr. ted
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" 
> <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Why the mad rush / toxicity
>
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> My darkroom exposure, like yours, was more than 40 years ago, and was 
>> not
>> extensive.  I never considered the toxicity of the chemical exposure,
>> thinking there was not much of a problem unless they were ingested.
>>
>> My late father-in-law made his living from a small studio for a 
>> number of
>> years.  He hated gloves, so his nails were often discolored, but he 
>> was not
>> aware of other symptoms.  He was active until he suffered a stroke at 
>> 90,
>> and died at 91.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour" 
>> <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Why the mad rush / toxicity
>>
>>
>>> hi Mark and thanks,
>>>
>>> I am reading some of the current information and warnings...Back 
>>> when  I
>>> worked in a photo darkroom in a very amateurish way, 40 years ago,  
>>> there
>>> was no particular concern, no warnings, I took no special  precautions,
>>> 'cus the general feeling was that risk was low and  seemingly
>>> non-existent...
>>>
>>> at that time,  the idea that the chemicals either  by contact or by
>>> inhalation were inherently toxic, never dawned, was not at issue, even
>>> though I was a professor at that time on a medical school faculty, and
>>> trained in depth in biochemistry, molecular biology, microbial
>>> genetics...
>>>
>>> I have survived the intervening time without any obvious damage, 
>>> but  my
>>> exposures were surely minimal compared to many.
>>>
>>> One has to think of the possible analogy with the story of Marie and
>>> Pierre Curie who won Nobel prizes for their work with radioactive
>>> compounds, but who had no idea of the associated serious risks, and
>>> suffered from these...at least severe burns, and Marie's death from
>>> aplastic anemia. (Pierre died prematurely from a fractured skull 
>>> after  a
>>> street acident).
>>>
>>> So all this talk about toxicity and precautions is an eye opener 
>>> for  me,
>>> and the concerns are admittedly tainted by the self serving  
>>> overreaction
>>> of regulatory agencies, as usual "a day late and a dollar  short"...
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2009, at 2:58 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Richard Man wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you? A doctor?!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, but.....
>>>>>
>>>>> I am reading all this stuff...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.subclub.org/darkroom/safety.htm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> " Use tubes instead of trays for all processing. "
>>>> Wildly delusional and totally out of the loupe would be thus my  
>>>> opinion
>>>> on
>>>> the subclub.
>>>> Fiber doesn't work with tubes and if they did you'd still not want  to
>>>> use
>>>> them.
>>>> Use rubber gloves with trays and you'll do fine making an effort 
>>>> to  not
>>>> smell the powders. If you know what it smells like its already  
>>>> entered
>>>> your
>>>> body.  (Dektol vs. Hypo) Make sure you don't know. Know by reading not
>>>> smelling.
>>>>
>>>> Most people who have had darkroom problems come from a generation  
>>>> (The
>>>> 60's
>>>> and before) where they used their hands not tongs and nobody cared 
>>>> about
>>>> stuff like not breathing powders. Arthritis was what a lot of these 
>>>> guys
>>>> seemed to have gotten from no tongs. Rarely anything else.
>>>> 1 in 1000 gets Metol / Elon reactions. They need to stay out of the
>>>> darkroom
>>>> but maybe go with Phenidone.
>>>> Its the people who experimenting in alternate processes who run into
>>>> trouble.
>>>> Gum Bichromate. potassium dichromate is nasty stuff.
>>>> Platinum printing maybe I think I heard will do  you in if your  
>>>> stupid.
>>>>
>>>> But since the 70's at a college darkroom they made you be careful.
>>>> That's when I switched from my hands to tongs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Why the mad rush to use Canon or Nikon bodies?)
Message from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] Why the mad rush / toxicity)
Message from jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Why the mad rush / toxicity)
Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca) ([Leica] Why the mad rush / toxicity / DARKROOMS & CHEMICALS.)