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Subject: [Leica] 28mm Summicron + M8 on Auto = Overexposure?
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:00:59 -0500
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Jayanand,

I am working on that technique, but have a long way to go.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] 28mm Summicron + M8 on Auto = Overexposure?


> Jim,
> Why don't you look at the histogram and keep adjusting the exposure,
> by exposing to the right, i.e. exposing for the highlights. The RAW
> picture will look washed out, but can be adjusted very easily in the
> RAW converter. The camera exposure meter is just a starting point
> nowadays, when we can precisely tune exposure using a histogram.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> 
> wrote:
>> Thanks, Bob. I don't know exactly how the M8 and my Oly 4/3 compare with
>> respect to exposure compensation, but, after reading comments from other 
>> M8
>> users about using -2/3, I set that same adjustment on my E-510 and it 
>> works
>> out pretty close. I make final adjustments in the RAW converter.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert D. Baron" 
>> <rbaron at concentric.net>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 28mm Summicron + M8 on Auto = Overexposure?
>>
>>
>>> Jim Nichols responded:
>>>
>>>> Since the posted images are jpegs, I was just curious as to whether the
>>>> image was shot RAW or jpeg?<
>>>
>>> RAW; I almost always shoot RAW only with the M8 because it processes
>>> through the buffer to the card a lot faster that way.
>>>
>>> ..................................................
>>>
>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never used not heard of a digital camera that didn't need to be
>>>> dialed
>>>
>>> down a bit. I dial most of mine a full or almost a full stop.<
>>>
>>> I generally set the EV at -1/3; I'm afraid of underexposing shadows
>>> which will then have a lot of noise in them.
>>>
>>> .................................................
>>>
>>> Ric Carter said:
>>>
>>>> metering pattern is different for each focal length
>>>
>>> the M7 manual has pattern illustrations.<
>>>
>>> How does the M7 know what the focal length is?
>>>
>>> Since I get more accurate automatic exposure using the M8 with a
>>> longer lens (35, 50, 75) than I do with a wider lens (28, 15) I assume
>>> there is some interplay between the lens and the meter coverage; I'm
>>> just curious as to what/how/why.
>>>
>>> ................................................
>>>
>>> Frank Fillipone offered:
>>>
>>>> I think Mark is right..... set it for -2/3 exposure and continue using
>>>> the
>>>
>>> camera.... then figure out if that is right for you....
>>>
>>> BTW, I think it was Tina that said she always underexposed, then 
>>> expanded
>>> the image using LR.<<
>>>
>>> See my response to Mark; I'm afraid of too much shadow with too much
>>> noise.
>>>
>>> .............................................
>>>
>>> I think the basic answer though is to simply remember that the M8
>>> slightly overexposes when using wider lenses and adjust the settings
>>> accordingly when changing lenses. That will certainly adhere to the
>>> KISS principle. Now if I can just remember......
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>> --Bob
>>>
>>> ====On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Robert D. Baron
>>> <rbaron at concentric.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to decide what and why is going on here. The 28mm
>>>> Summicron, when used on my M8 set on automatic, is slightly
>>>> overexposing the "frame".
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.bobbaron.com/28CronOct09/index.html .
>>>>
>>>> The first frame is out of the camera at ISO 320, -1/3 EV (stop)
>>>> exposure. It is washed out. The second frame is the same image
>>>> adjusted down another half stop in Lightroom and is a lot closer to
>>>> what a correct exposure should be.
>>>>
>>>> Do wider lenses throw the metering off somehow?
>>>>
>>>> I can take some of the pain out of this obviously by setting the
>>>> camera to expose at -2/3 rather than -1/3 when I use this lens, but
>>>> I'm just curious as to what is going on.
>>>>
>>>> The lens is pretty nice; the third frame is a 100% crop (also iso 320)
>>>> with a little more tweaking in Lightroom.
>>>>
>>>> --Bob
>>>>
>>>
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