[Leica] Nikon Rumors

[kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney)]

David,

Thanks for your response. I probably won't print much larger than I am now
either.  I did notice that the prophoto site had 5D Mk II raw files for
download, that you could use in your favorite raw converter (Adobe ACR in my
case).  Unfortunately, they had horizontal banding noise beginning at ISO
1600 in low-contrast areas.  Once I noticed it, I could see it even in the
ACR preview pane.  Aside from the banding, I saw a lot of noise at 3200 and
6400.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that you could use this camera
routinely at 6400, but I doubt it.  A search for horizontal banding for that
camera turned up many negative comments.  Back to the drawing board.  I wish
I could use the M8, but I need longer lenses and higher iso's. 

Ken

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org [mailto:lug-
> bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of David Rodgers
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:35 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon Rumors
> 
> Ken,
> 
> In my experience with the D700 the benefit of the full frame sensor
> isn't that I can make larger prints. Quite frankly, I don't make many
> big prints. The benefit comes from higher ISO, which I guess comes from
> larger pixels, and lenses that operate in a way that I've been
> accustomed to for 30 some years, i.e. according the focal length that's
> written on them in 35mm terms.
> 
> I may be in the minority in how I feel about the latter (lens coverage)
> issue, but I just feel more comfortable shooting full frame. The high
> ISO part actually takes some getting used to. I've gone out shooting in
> low light and darned if the images don't look like they were made in
> light aplenty. I really don't want images where I used 25000 ISO to look
> like I was using 400 ASA film. Yet in a chiaroscuro'esque sense, that's
> what happens. I'm not always happy about it.
> 
> The good news is that more is usually better. I haven't yet had the time
> to figure out the contrast adjustments that give the look I want, but
> I'm getting closer. Just like bigger is sometimes better since it gives
> you more cropping flexibility, less noise is better because it's easier
> to work with highlight and shadow details that actually exist and aren't
> 00000000000000 or 11111111111111. When you use a mask (in your software
> of choice) to show blown highlights or black-holed shadows they're non
> existent in almost any lighting situation (even with not aperture
> coupled Leica lenses). It comes as a shock every time I see it.
> 
> Again, I'm not deft enough at post processing to take full advantage of
> the situation. In the end I probably throw away 90% of the extra
> information that the D700 sensor gives me. But that doesn't mean I don't
> want the option of having it.
> 
> Also, because I'm already using Leica lenses on a full frame high ISO
> body, I'm not holding my breath for Leica to come through with another R
> body, and I'm not crying in my beer when they imply it's not going to
> happen.
> 
> Dave R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Carney [mailto:kcarney1 at cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:46 PM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon Rumors
> 
> Mark,
> 
> I was wondering and you would probably know.  I have a Canon 40D which
> seems
> to make a nice uncropped print up to about 10x15".  The Canon 5dMkII
> full-frame is considerably larger.  I will probably keep printing not
> much
> larger than 10x15 image size, so I was thinking the larger sensor would
> give
> me some more cropping room at least.  I try usually to shoot un-cropped
> if
> possible, and was wondering if the larger sensor would give me a better
> print in that case, or on the other hand, if I could get the same
> quality as
> the 40D by cropping to equivalent size?  (I have some of the Canon "L"
> glass.)  Hope that makes sense and thx for any thoughts.  (I live in the
> middle of nowhere so it is difficult to field test these things without
> purchasing.)
> 
> Ken
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org [mailto:lug-
> > bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
> > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:14 PM
> > To: Leica Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon Rumors
> >
> > I don't think with all the remotely serious photography being done on
> > larger
> > and larger sensors and Leica forgoing 4/3s according to Geoff's report
> > because of the sensor size not being big enough that wanting to move
> up in
> > sensor size and not down is not silly on my part.
> > Normally Leica shooters are a tad more serious than the SLR and point
> and
> > shoot masses so I don't think its at all off topic.
> > The 4/3s and glorified point and shoots to not help them in this
> > direction.
> > If Barnack had come out with a 24x18 format camrea and not a 24x36
> we'd
> > not
> > be talking about him now as we'd have never heard of it. The Leica M
> half
> > frame could not have made it against everyone else shooting 24x36.
> > That's exactly where we are now.
> >
> > According to Geoff's report the M9 is in the works and its full frame.
> > This will keep the Leica M in business.
> > If its not true the Leica M will tank big time in very few years.
> > Without it your not going to find people spending thousands on glass
> to
> > put
> > them in front of a cropped sensor in very many months let along years.
> > There is no serious wave of shooters going down in format.
> > Its just not happening. Who shot half frame?
> > Look through any magazine, photo, fashion, consumer your not going to
> be
> > seeing many if any jobs done with a 4/3's 2x crop sensor. And not that
> > many
> > with a 1.5 or 1.3 crop sensor either.
> > 90 percent of it is being done with a 1x crop sensor.
> > The 2x is great for camera companies who did not have established
> SLR's
> > already out in the works they could just put a 1.5 crop or full frame
> > sensor
> > in front of. No one else cares.
> > We need to be aiming up not down.
> >
> > Luckily all the glass we've spent much money on will work on a 24x36mm
> > sensor when it finally comes out. M9 Leica or S3 Nikon (I doubt). Or
> Bessa
> > D
> > Cosina. (maybe)
> > Thanks to the rumor with the date on it.
> >
> > A rumor with a date on it by the way as far as I go is a rumor with a
> date
> > on it.
> > Just like a rumor with decimal points. And exact specs.
> > Lies are often hyper specific.
> >
> >
> > Mark William Rabiner
> 
> 
> 
> 
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