[Leica] speaking of cars violently OT

[frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE)]

I sat in the new Lotus Evora yesterday. Mike Kimberley CEO of Lotus Cars 
once again is 6' 5" so it is pretty easy to get into and roomy for a 
supercar.
cheers,
Frank

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Stasys Petravicius <stasys1 at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Stasys Petravicius <stasys1 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 3:30 PM
> Frank- I took a picture of an Ariel a
> couple years ago, and I couldn't fit in a recent Lotus
> offering. Stasys
> On Jul 10, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Frank Dernie wrote:
> 
> > Ariel Atom is a rocket, but you need to use a helmet
> really since there is no screen.
> > Any of the Lotus cars are good to drive.
> > cheers,
> > Frank
> > 
> > On 10 Jul, 2009, at 21:54, Dennis wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Frank,
> >> 
> >> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars.
> I? had a Europa Special and it is a marvel. Very light,
> incredible suspension, and so responsive. I thought Colin
> Chapman brilliant and was stunned at his premature passing.
> >> 
> >> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but
> if I could I would likely own a Lotus and use some of that
> "leftover" money for a worthy cause.
> >> 
> >> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-)
> >> 
> >> But, Lotus aside, what do? you make of the
> Ariel Atom?
> >> 
> >> Dennis
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Frank Dernie wrote:
> >>> Pagani Zonda.
> >>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599.
> >>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo.
> >>> For pure driving Lotus anything.
> >>> 
> >>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy
> styling and are "2 seat limos" with loads of kit, weight and
> electronic driving aids to make them easy to drive for less
> good drivers.
> >>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for
> a rich person of limited talent to show-off in.
> >>> 
> >>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy
> enough nor interested enough to study in detail. Weight is
> the most important chassis parameter for performance. Road
> cars are to a great extent a fashion item and image
> statement. Published stuff tends to be acceleration and top
> speed. It is possible to get impressive figures for these
> without much chassis sophistication at all. Since weight is
> currently not something fashionable to minimise "supercars"
> are now as heavy as trucks, hence no longer supercars IMO.
> This Bugatti thing weighs the same as 2 Ford GT40s!
> >>> 
> >>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car
> loses over 0.3 secs per lap.
> >>> 
> >>> Frank
> >> 
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