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Subject: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT
From: stasys1 at cox.net (Stasys Petravicius)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:30:42 -0700
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Frank- I took a picture of an Ariel a couple years ago, and I couldn't 
fit in a recent Lotus offering. Stasys
On Jul 10, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Frank Dernie wrote:

> Ariel Atom is a rocket, but you need to use a helmet really since 
> there is no screen.
> Any of the Lotus cars are good to drive.
> cheers,
> Frank
>
> On 10 Jul, 2009, at 21:54, Dennis wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars. I  had a Europa Special 
>> and it is a marvel. Very light, incredible suspension, and so 
>> responsive. I thought Colin Chapman brilliant and was stunned at his 
>> premature passing.
>>
>> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but if I could I would 
>> likely own a Lotus and use some of that "leftover" money for a worthy 
>> cause.
>>
>> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-)
>>
>> But, Lotus aside, what do  you make of the Ariel Atom?
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> Frank Dernie wrote:
>>> Pagani Zonda.
>>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599.
>>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo.
>>> For pure driving Lotus anything.
>>>
>>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy styling and are "2 
>>> seat limos" with loads of kit, weight and electronic driving aids to 
>>> make them easy to drive for less good drivers.
>>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for a rich person of 
>>> limited talent to show-off in.
>>>
>>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy enough nor interested 
>>> enough to study in detail. Weight is the most important chassis 
>>> parameter for performance. Road cars are to a great extent a fashion 
>>> item and image statement. Published stuff tends to be acceleration 
>>> and top speed. It is possible to get impressive figures for these 
>>> without much chassis sophistication at all. Since weight is 
>>> currently not something fashionable to minimise "supercars" are now 
>>> as heavy as trucks, hence no longer supercars IMO. This Bugatti 
>>> thing weighs the same as 2 Ford GT40s!
>>>
>>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car loses over 0.3 secs 
>>> per lap.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>
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In reply to: Message from filippini at theramp.net (The Filippini Family, Matt & Blaise) ([Leica] speaking of cars - Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Grand)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] speaking of cars - Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Grand)
Message from stasys1 at cox.net (Stasys Petravicius) ([Leica] speaking of cars - Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Grand)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] speaking of cars violently OT)
Message from dennis at hale-pohaku.net (Dennis) ([Leica] speaking of cars violently OT)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] speaking of cars violently OT)