Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/06/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Doug, You are still missing the point. I do not have to try one at all. I am sure it is a fantastic camera, and we all know the quality of lenses available. I trust all of you when you say what you do. But when someone says that it is better because it saves him adding a layer of sharpening, I have to laugh! BTW, I have yet to see moire in the Nikon D300 I shoot, and as you know, I shoot a lot of stripes (-: !! My argument is not about the capture device, but about the final output. I have plenty, and I mean dozens of actual holdable prints taken with a M8, and as you know I have a few of yours taken with a DMR. I cannot see a difference up to A3 size ( which is all I have) between a Leica, or a Nikon, or a Canon. Whether this entails a little more PP, or a little less PP is totally besides the point. Maybe at larger sizes it might be apparent, but I cannot say as I have not seen Leica digital prints of those sizes (I have seen dozens of prints taken with Nikon & Canon, and I cant make out differences between equivalent bodies there either). I remember being almost lynched on this group when the M8 came out saying that it was very expensive for what it offered. Immediately the same arguments you made above were trotted out - that I had no business commenting without trying one, and after that I have been wary of getting into these equipment related digressions, knowing how sensitive the issue is. I think one has to be less emotional about equipment, and more demanding about the final, finished output. When I hold a print in my hand I couldn't care less about whether the photograph was shot digitally or on film, whether it was cropped digital, 35mm or a 8x10, or whether the camera had an AA filter or not. The list would be a poorer place if criticisms were shouted down, and disagreements were not allowed to be aired. Cheers Jayanand On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> wrote: > Mark Rabiner wrote: > >>The point I may be making dully is photography is about photographs. >>And you look at a print and its either properly sharp or its not. >>Plus all the other qualities which make or break a successful image. >>A successful photograph. >>Slides and uploads are ephemeral. ?Smoke and mirrors. Look away... They're >>gone. >>And people trade 10's of thousands of dollars of gear back and forth to >>achieve such a to me such dubious non results. >>The proof is in the pudding and to me what I'm looking at on my monitor >>ain't it. ?It's Cool Whip. >>Pudding is an image on paper. > > Mark, IIRC this discussion developed from your complaint that the M8's > sensor was too small and that the image quality from any "full-frame" > sensor would be better. ?Several of us 'crop factor' Leica users have > pointed out that there are other factors involved, one of which is the AA > filter. ?I do wish you and Jayanand would TRY the M8 and COMPARE the file > quality, as many LUGgers have, and see for yourself how much of a problem > the crop factor is, or conversely, see for yourself how much of a problem > the AA filter is. ?BTW I've seen very obvious color moire in photos from > an un-modified Nikon D200 so it's not like the AA filter solves the > problem. > > Doug Herr > http://www.wildlightphoto.com > walk softly and carry a big lens > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >