Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/02/23

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Subject: [Leica] With the Summicron Collaps. and TX
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Mon Feb 23 23:19:43 2009

That's a relief because for a second there I thought people were going to
pick out one 50 over another 50 after seeing these images. I'm sure that
never happens. And would not be happening now!
I get along great with Lluis Geoff thank you!
I think he knows I'm not attacking him and you don't need to defend him!
I'm just saying it looks like we are supposed to be making decisions about
high end glass based on screen shots on our monitors and I don't agree with
that!

Contrast and sharpness details are awfully had to compare in glass in this
digital age. You can say all you're defaults where the same for everything
but in the end they never are!


Mark William Rabiner



> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:49:44 +1000
> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] With the Summicron Collaps. and TX
> 
> Mark I follow what you are saying. For sure you might like to hold big
> prints side by side if you were shopping for a lens. But Lluis is just
> sharing his experiences by showing street stuff as he usually does. The
> sizes are reasonable for web viewing. You can just enjoy the pictures if 
> you
> like. For some shots you can certainly see contrast and sharpness
> differences for example. Lluis likes traditional spherical designs you
> probably know. Lluis is not Leica or Nikon or Canon and he's not trying to
> sell you anything. By the way I spent a very enjoyable session with him a
> year or so back looking over several hundred wet darkroom prints by Lluis
> over perhaps twenty or thirty years of shooting. You can imagine that it 
> was
> most enjoyable to hold his skilled work in your hands.
> 
> 2009/2/24 Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>
> 
>> The top one I see is a 950 by 655 pixel file.
>> If you printed it at 300 dpi that's only a 2x3 inch image!
>> 5 by 7 and a half centimeters isn't such a heck of a lot.
>> We're looking at or comparing what?
>> Signatures?
>> ???
>> We always see this I don't know what we can get out of files which are a
>> small decimal point of a normal shooting sized image.
>> We're going to buy a 1000 dollar lens over a 3000 dollar lens or visa 
>> versa
>> after looking at an image 950 by 655 pixels across?
>> 
>> If those were my needs I'd be out trying to find the lowest rez cheapest
>> point and shoot there is.
>> To me this level of comparisons do not relate to Leica buying.
>> And this happens on this list all the time.
>> 
>> The smallest file size of the cheapest digital camera money can buy is 
>> what
>> ten times this size?
>> 
>> I think we need to be realistic about what can be showed and not shown on
>> the internet.
>> What does Leica do? They let you download some real life sized images
>> before
>> you plunk down your thousands.
>> As does nikon. And I'm sure Canon.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Lluis Ripoll <luisripoll@telefonica.net>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:42:24 +0100
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: [Leica] With the Summicron Collaps. and TX
>>> 
>>> These ones with M3, summicron Collapsible 50m, and Tri X, you can
>>> compare the different signatures Zeiss and Leica
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/09020102.jpg.html
>>> http://tinyurl.com/c4bdz2
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/09020101.jpg.html
>>> http://tinyurl.com/bl52qr
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/09020112.jpg.html
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ckffyt
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/09020110.jpg.html
>>> http://tinyurl.com/b9c6e8
>>> 
>>> Thanks for looking, your c & c are wellcome
>>> 
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> lluis
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> 'She looks like an angel moving too fast for its glory'
> 
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Replies: Reply from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Lluis Ripoll) ([Leica] With the Summicron Collaps. and TX)
In reply to: Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] With the Summicron Collaps. and TX)