Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/01/13

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Subject: [Leica] A REAL LEICA OR A COUNTERFIT?
From: len-001 at verizon.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Tue Jan 13 05:48:19 2009
References: <C58EE385.48063%mark@rabinergroup.com><79pc8o$1r6qik@pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca><6af76ca00901110020x441bfad5p19c6ef93f8e59cc9@mail.gmail.com><4969C8BA.1040403@gmx.de><DDD411DD8BEC4BD887F198B49BBAB39C@D1S9FY41><71E2C9B3E46D46818655818A08B64594@precisionm50><496A436F.9010608@tele2.fr><629954238.20090112090436@tesco.net><1A334A601C694BB885A1E53CE1DC1E49@dadquad><36B7D8BDC504493D80FA93A961509B4D@xyw> <362C1381-E5B8-4155-B411-6183FBEA8C0D@verizon.net> <0204231AFD2D4837A1D97C2CD107634F@precisionm50> <496C8717.4080007@summaventures.com>

Now this is very interesting. I didn't know Steve had pages like this  
on the his site.

This is where it becomes very difficult to spot a fake. The camera  
has all the details it's a real Leica II. It most likely is. If  
original, the engraving and insignia can transform a common $400  
Leica II into a collectible worth thousands of dollars.

The k version Leica IIIc is more common but valuable and is a target  
for counterfeiters. Here a $300 IIIc can become a $5000 collectible  
if done right.

Thanks for the link, Peter.
Len


On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote:

> For an interesting discussion on Nazi engravings and a mystery  
> Leica see:
>
> http://www.cameraquest.com/kriegsma.htm
>
> I wonder if Steve ever found anything more. Steve?
>
> ...and for a low temperature IIIc that may have been a Luftwaffe  
> camera see:
>
> http://www.cameraquest.com/leica_iiic_k_gray.htm
>
> Peter Dzwig
>
> Bob W wrote:
>> Another little detail that he missed - and it's easily overlooked  
>> - is that
>> the real Leica has the word 'Leica' written on top, whereas the  
>> fake has the
>> word 'Zorki'.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Leonard Taupier
>>> Sent: 13 January 2009 01:31
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] A REAL LEICA OR A COUNTERFIT?
>>>
>>> I hope he adds a little more information to make his site more
>>> complete. One point of clarification is where the Elmar
>>> infinity stop
>>> ends. Early Leica Elmars and Hektors had the infinity stop at the 11
>>> o'clock position where he says only the copy is.
>>>
>>> He also omits the original viewfinder frame shape which is stepped
>>> where the screw is. The later Leica II was changed to what he shows
>>> as correct only after Leica made the Leica III.
>>>
>>> I would have also mentioned that the Leica II does not have a slow
>>> shutter speed dial.
>>>
>>> Everything else he mentions is pretty good.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>> Len
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2009, at 7:35 PM, A. Lal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick Oleson, who is a member of the IDCC, has a web page with
>>>> useful info on this topic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-213.html
>>>>
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> Dr Peter Dzwig                                
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