Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/01/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Alastair, I think the proposal you outlined is excellent. It draws well on the lessons learned from FOM2, yet heads in a new direction. I learned a lot from my participation in FOM2 and would be pleased to participate in the Leica Century project. Best Regards, Charles Hehl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Firkin" <afirkin@afirkin.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: [Leica] Leica Century: initial proposal from Alastair: LONG!! > > I want to outline my thoughts going forward with the Centenary project. We > do not have enough interest yet, but by firming up some of the details I > hope to encourage others to put their names into the ring. I have now > listed all the interested parties in the proposed Leica Century project. > We have only 37 thus far. That is a fairly small number, and too small to > run a full 5 year project. I am glad to see so many coming forward who > were not involved in FOM2, and so many of my old friends prepared to fire > up again ;-) > > I want it to be different to FOM2, but I want to learn from it as well. > The key to this project is having as many different people involved as > possible and pushing them to get out photograph the world around them and > begin to improve their photography to a level which attracts general > approval. What follows will be familiar to those of you who were in FOM2 > but there are some changes proposed: in particular, all forms of > photographic subject are included. > > I know that there are many of those already putting their hands up who > will help with judging and mentoring those of you who might feel > intimidated. I am NOT trying to replace the yearbook. The yearbook is a > great success and is a wonderful opportunity for all of us to have images > published. I am NOT trying to displace Brian?s monthly LUG image fest. It > too has been a wonderful addition, which keeps all of us thinking about > images over the course of the year. Submitting images to either of the > above or doing a long time LUG favorite the PAW does not exclude you from > being in Leica Century. It helps all of us to edit out our images. The > role of ?Leica Century? will be to promote new images (not a > retrospective) gather the best of those images together and present them > to the world through the web and hopefully a book, and to allow all of us > who want to improve our photography to be in a competitive and encouraging > environment. > > Let?s look at what we are proposing and what we are NOT. Firstly, this is > not going to be some ?official? celebration. Leica showed no real interest > in FOM2 other than to wish it well. How could they? The LUG is a small > group on a world scale, and Leica would only consider being involved in a > much ?broader? vision. This does not mean I have given up hope of help > from Solms, only I don?t think its likely. My plan is to write to the CEO, > send him a copy of FOM2, and see what response it brings. > > We are a family of friends, who came together due to some interest in > Leica cameras and photography. Brian?s group has been going for a long > time, and as some have mentioned, the LUG has an enduring simple quality > that has kept people ?coming back for more? even when they have abandoned > Leica equipment. FOM2 started in 99/2000. It was a fascinating time for > photography. When we first started there were quite a few professionals in > the team, but the film world was turned on its head almost as soon as we > started, and by the third year only a few of the professionals remained. > This ?threatened? the project, but in some ways, it also strengthened it, > as lovers of traditional photography became more active, and I?m sure that > many of us had improved because of the project and the help we had had > from the pros, so that the quality really did not fall off, and we had a > broader range of people represented in the final publication, (over 140). > > I can tell you, however, that out of the several thousand images which > were submitted every year, it was rare for many images to be carried over. > There were rarely many more than 100 which were selected by the judges. I > also learnt that no one person can choose images, there is an enormous > variation in style and taste. Photographers are also (from my experience > and this includes me) the WORST judges of the value of their own images > out in the big bad world. What seems like a great shot to you will often > fall short when viewed by someone who either comes from a different > culture or simply was not there. So the first question to answer is will > the project be juried, and the answer is yes. > I think the judging of images during the 5 years of FOM2 worked > brilliantly. It threw up a huge variety of images, styles, points of view > and subject matter, so I will go with that again. We will call for judges > each year, I will send them the images on a CD or via a download. All > images will be random and anonymous (as I can make them) and will be > judged by you, the members of the project. I collate the votes, I don?t > vote, and I then sort and present the final selection. > > Does this mean that someone might miss out on getting an image into the > final selection? In theory yes, but I don?t think there were many if any > photographers who submitted more than 10 images a year in the 5 years, who > did not end up with a fine image that was selected by the judges. We even > had mentoring for those who felt they were missing out, and this helped > them to raise the quality of their submission. BUT, I will for this > project make a promise. Anyone who submits 10 or more images for each of > the 5 years of the project will have their best image included in the > final selection. > > Now for the vexing question of equipment. Ideally, I would love to only > include Leica cameras lenses and enlargers ;-) BUT experience tells me > that we would have a very limited range of images to choose from. This is > not an official Leica project, but a project by the LUG some of whom don?t > use Leicas at all, and certainly often don?t for their best work. Leica > cameras (and lenses) created a style of photography which is what many of > us appreciate and love. Other camera operators copied Leica, and Leica > also copied others when their ideas were superior. I know some don?t feel > any SLR image is really ?Leica Photography?, but I?m sure Leica will never > disown Ted?s olympic images or Rosling?s polar bears. I also have sympathy > for those who were ?forced? away from Leica when they did not have any > real form of Digital camera to offer. I also have some sympathy for those > who find the digital cameras from Leica overly expensive and would love a > digital back for ! > their Leica glass. > > I admit, that by celebrating the Leica turning 100 it would seem obvious > that we should showcase Leica equipment and I intend to do so. Its also > the 175th anniversary of photography, but I don?t want to turn this > exercise into an unmanageable size. I therefore propose the following. > > As with FOM2, all images taken with Leica cameras and or Lenses will be > acceptable. This will include ?badged? cameras. If its good enough for the > company, its good enough for me, and it allows some people to be involved > who cannot afford an M8, S2, DMR, or R10 etc. I did have quite a lot of > criticism in FOM2 for the Leica only policy, especially since the project > was celebrating a landmark exhibition in photography not Leica itself. We > will there fore showcase Leica, put it up against the hybrids and because > this is a project of the LUG celebrating the 100 years of ?Leica? type > photography I will allow some images taken with non-Leica equipment but > severely limit the numbers. At the moment I envisage around 10%. Iff Leica > becomes involved, they may take some or all of the images and may want to > remove non-leica images, but it remains our project till then. > > At the moment I would still like to aim for about 100 images per year. > That might prove to be too many. If we are looking at that number, there > will need to be more than one image per photographer (unless the numbers > increase greatly), so I won?t limit it at this stage. I will also not > limit the number of submissions from each individual BUT if it gets > unwieldy and I will decide that it may be necessary to do so, and I may > limit the total number an individual can have selected each year. Those > sorts of decisions need to be fluid at this stage and will become more > obvious as we progress. > > Digital manipulation is fine, but should be included in the data when it > goes beyond simple adjustments: I think you will all know what I mean > without me having to stipulate exactly. As with FOM2 the images will be > vetted so that offensive work is not included. Any controversy will be > decided by the ?team? if it becomes necessary. All submitted work will > remain copyright to the photographer and must be original work. All > photographers will agree on joining that their selected images can be used > on the Leica Century presentations, images can be withdrawn by the > photographer before each year?s judging. This is a non-profit project. Iff > there were any profits (and I see only expenses at this stage) they would > be returned to the photographers involved or donated to an agreed charity. > > Remember, the aim of the project is to get us out there taking images, > seeing and interpreting the world and improving the way we present our > visions. As I previously mentioned, all subject matter will be included. I > will be requiring everyone to give me some data on their work, and I will > want (as I did for FOM2) a simple agreement from anyone wishing to be > involved. I will also collect a short CV from you hoping to use it in the > final presentation: I know I didn?t for FOM2, but there was not much room > left and the data was so disjointed that it did not make sense. > > I have also learnt that I must get ?printable? files on record from the > time of submission. Last time I ended up with quite a lot of images that > were only 600 pixels in dimension. This was due to losing people. Some > died and some disappeared. Finally, I want the project to be prospective > not retrospective, in keeping with the aim of pushing the LUG to better > photography. All images must be made from 2008 onwards till the end of the > project: I would hope to publish early in 2014. > > Its the journey that is important and although we want the final product > to excel, I want everyone who joins to have fun and learn. I have now > outlined the general basis on which I will run this project if we get > enough interest. I will need some help with web pages and submission > boards I think. I don?t envisage any costs at this stage. I am still open > to suggestions even if it doesn?t sound like it. I am aware that decisions > by committee usually don?t get made, so I will keep overall charge. > > Cheers Alastair > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information