Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/06

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Subject: [Leica] VERY OT: Michael Collins
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sat Dec 6 21:54:15 2008
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At 07:15 PM 12/4/2008, Douglas Barry wrote:

 >Journos by their nature like a story, so perhaps they do right history 
 >while
 >they write history while academics pick up left history and try to write 
 >the
 >facts. Not that they always succeed.... <grin>
 >
 >Right off to bed, it's a Roman morning on the morrow & there'll be an M3 in
 >the travel bag.

I am incapable of unravelling your conundrum.  A 
Journalist who wishes to learn the rather basic 
tasks of consulting primary and secondary sources 
and who has a clear head for analysis can 
certainly do a fine job of wiring 
history.  Manchester did this very well in the US 
-- the US Marine Corps hated him but, otherwise, 
his works were quite well received for what they 
were, even in academic circles.  Other examples 
abound:  most of the super-critical falsified 
histories tearing at the current US President 
have been applauded by academic critics despite their lack of credible 
content.

Tom Pat Coogan's work is rather decent in terms 
of balance and of a proper use of sources both 
primary and secondary.  Yes, it adulates Collins, 
but, then, consider the work of Theodore 
Sorenson, who made a living out of praising one 
of the weakest Presidents the US has had in 
recent years, John F Kennedy.  "Adulation" is not 
the reason Tim Pat Coogan is disliked by Irish 
academics -- after all, he followed his work on 
Collins with a relatively fair work on Dev.  No, 
the reason is simple:  Coogan's origins were from 
journalism and he was not, therefore, part of the 
tribe, the Sainted Order of Academia.

Just by way of comparison, I am both a recovering 
journalist and a recovering academic -- I do have 
an MA in Classical Languages -- and, yes, I know 
the distinction between primary and secondary 
sources.  I had to work through both in producing 
both of my books on recent camera history.  I put 
a LOT of work in both books, hours never 
compensated by commissions but, what the hey, both were labors of love.

I would ask all to turn this into private 
e-mial.  Brian, rest easy:  I will NOT rejoin 
that dangerously left-wing List, the LUGForm.

I shall not respond on-list n this again.

Marc


msmall@aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!



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