[Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos

[rgacpa at yahoo.com (Bob Adler)]

Certainly a wonderful tool Slobodan!
?Bob Adler
Palo Alto, CA
rgacpa@yahoo.com
http://www.raflexions.com 




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From: slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:24:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos

I always felt that Point Lobos was bets captured with a Rollei SL66.
Big negs, with a tilting lens board, it doesn't get any better than? 
that.
s.d.

On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Bob Adler wrote:

> Frank,
> The TS-E 24mm f3.5L lens rotates, so when I have the camera in? 
> portrait orientation, I rotate the lens so that the tilt is in the? 
> verticle plane and the shift is horizontal. The lens rotates in? 
> 45deg increments so, from what you are suggesting, I should have? 
> rotated it 45deg off the verticle to the right (as I view the scene) 
> (clockwise from my position behind the camera).
> I believe the minimum aperture is f22, but I don't have the lens in? 
> front of me.
> So I think I have it now; the image is soft: should have rotated? 
> the tilt slightly clockwise and used the maximum DOF. Good to know!
> Thanks very much for the help, Frank,
> Bob
>? Bob Adler
> Palo Alto, CA
> rgacpa@yahoo.com
> http://www.raflexions.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Frank Filippone <red735i@earthlink.net>
> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:02:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos
>
> Tilt and shift might work, but you need your planes in the right? 
> orientation
> to each other and to the camera? In this case, you have a slightly? 
> diagonal
> plane of interest? and a background that is pretty much at? 
> infinity, all
> over.? Compensating with only tilt ( swing in the orientation we? 
> see) is not
> enough to capture even the foreground in a focus plane, relative to? 
> the
> camera sensor plane.? And it confuses the eye/brain to see? 
> weirdly.? Front
> to back focus areas work.? Left to right looks weird... it is our
> optical-brain connection that is trained one way and not the other.
>
> I think this might have worked just fine of you had used a landscape
> orientation.? That would have given you just tilt from the lens,? 
> and the
> "unfocus" plane would have been about equal for the infinite? 
> background.
> Then the background would have been in the same amount of "unfocus"? 
> and
> would have looked fine.? It is the right to left stuff that causes? 
> optical
> confusion.
>
> Of course, the F64 group would have said you did not provide enough? 
> DOF from
> your lens....
>
> BTW, what is the minimum F stop with the Canon PC lens you used?? F32?
>
> Frank Filippone
> red735i@earthlink.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On? 
> Behalf Of Bob
> Adler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:18 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos
>
> Hi George and Frank,
>
> Number 1 was photographed with a Tilt/Shift lens. I think the? 
> problem is
> that the foreground and background are in focus because they are in? 
> the
> plane of focus produced by the tilt. The mid-ground area was down a? 
> cliff; a
> drop of 20 - 30 feet. As this would put it out of the plane of? 
> focus created
> by the tilt, the only way to try to get it in focus is through? 
> reducing the
> aperture. I believe I should have shot at a smaller aperture than? 
> f8, and
> that may be the cause of the slop you see.
> I think this would explain it as the right side was futher below me? 
> than the
> left and, as Frank noted, the right side seems more out of focus. I? 
> think
> the shift was centered.
> Does this make sense to you?
>
> Thanks for pointing this out. I'll just have to go back! :-)
>
> George, as for the darkness in the the other shots, it's not caused? 
> by any
> adjustments by me. Pt. Lobos has a huge dynamic range. I could? 
> never get
> anything when I shot Velvia nor negative color. Even using N-2 with? 
> BW film
> couldn't get it all. I had a .6ND Grad filter (I'm going to be? 
> buying a .9
> now) and even with all that an the increased capture dynamic range of
> digital, I couldn't get it.
>
> So thanks for the input very much. Numbers 4 and the last image? 
> will be put
> on my main gallery!
> Best,
> Bob
>? Bob Adler
> Palo Alto, CA
> rgacpa@yahoo.com
> http://www.raflexions.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Frank Filippone <red735i@earthlink.net>
> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:45:08 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] IMG: Fall Colors at Pt. Lobos
>
> Bob... were you using your perspective controlled lens for the? 
> first shot?
> Does the lens offer swings and tilts?? Or Tilt only?? ( relative to a
> landscape image configuration.)
>
> Mid range focus on the right worse than midrange on the left.....? 
> indicates
> maybe your lens was not "centered" and set for some amount of? 
> tilt.... which
> in this composition means swing... and therefore the focus planes? 
> are not
> where we expect them.....? Although it certainly works for the
> foreground.....
>
> Is this just a case of focus distortion caused by the foreground? 
> focus being
> right ( which it is) , and the background wrong for the foreground? 
> focus
> planes.....?
>
> Sometimes swings and tilts make the focus just look weird....
>
> Certainly a colorful shot.... nicely composed.
>
> Frank Filippone
> red735i@earthlink.net
>
>
>
> the first - the mid frame lack of focus puzzles me
>
>
> Fond regards,
> George
>
>
>
>> http://raflexions.com/11-11-2008/
>
>>? Bob Adler
>> Palo Alto, CA
>
>
>
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