Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/10/28

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Subject: [Leica] euro vs dollar and leica
From: gregj_lorenzo at hotmail.com (Greg Lorenzo)
Date: Tue Oct 28 10:01:43 2008
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I see significantly improved mpg numbers as the best economy/environment 
compromise for the near future with high energy prices. Joanne's 2007 Honda 
Fit is getting 53 mpig on the highway and 40 mpig around town. The family 
(manual trans) 2004 Civic got over 48 mpig on the highway between Calgary 
and Vancouver this summer and I was crusing at 80 mph a good part of the 
way. An good example of what's coming from Japan is the 2010 clean diesel 
Accord which will give over 70 mpig if it lives up to the hype. See: 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9712548-7.html I don't see a great future 
for battery driven vehicles in the short term when all factors/numbers are 
considered.  Greg LorenzoCalgary, Canada> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:37:14 
-0700> To: lug@leica-users.org> From: henningw@archiphoto.com> Subject: Re: 
[Leica] euro vs dollar and leica> > I've read many of the comparisons, and 
not only from hybrid oriented sites.> > As I mentioned, the fuel economy 
achieved depends a lot on where and > how you drive. Whether or not you get 
a payback depends on how many > miles you drive per year, and how close the 
Prius comes to being the > type of car you want/need/enjoy. I'm very 
familiar with the Prius, as > I get to drive one at various times every 
year. I mention the Prius > as it's the only one that is truly in the 
running, as the other > hybrids are definitely not economically sound buys 
unless you > _really_ drive a lot of miles.> > I'm also quite familiar with 
the use of Priuses as taxis here in > Vancouver, where there are quite a few 
including the one mentioned in > the article below.> > The upcharge of $4500 
may apply, depending on what type of car you > compare it to. It's rather 
lower than my calculations, but even at > that a good diesel car would still 
be a lot better buy under almost > all circumstances. The $4500 is more than 
most owners will get paid > back over the term of their ownership, based on 
average mileage per > year, fuel costs and average length of ownership.> > 
The total life cycle carbon footprint is not in favour of the hybrid, > 
either compared a good diesel. On the other hand, the Prius is a far > 
better choice both on a practical level and certainly on an > ecological and 
'feel good' level than the choice that most people in > North America make. 
It's a big step in the right direction.
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