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Subject: [Leica] euro vs dollar and leica
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Mon Oct 27 17:14:29 2008
References: <E9EB4E4F-9331-4572-9ED0-C35713E22544@btinternet.com> <27C7054A6C5943B08F4EC063A70F273A@DGX96341> <p06230902c52bd9517fef@10.1.16.176> <80cda11e498b8113f236f37bc9b2ffef@cox.net>

 According to a Toyota service rep. about $4,500.  However:
 Toyota Prius Frequently Asked Questions Click on a question to jump to the
answer



> What is a hybrid vehicle?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q1>
> Do I need to plug the Prius 
> in?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q2>
> What Petrol do I use in the 
> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q3>
> What fuel economy can I expect from the 
> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q4>
> How does the Prius perform and handle compared to conventional 
> vehicles?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q5>
> Is the Prius available in a manual 
> transmission?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q6>
> Can the Prius run on electricity when it runs out of 
> petrol?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q7>
> How does the Prius compare to conventional cars with respect to safety
features? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q8>
> Who can service my Prius and how often does it need to be 
> done?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q9>
> Who can do repair work if something were to go wrong with my 
> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q10>
> How long will the Prius 
> last?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q11>
> How long does the battery last in the Prius, and how much will it cost to
replace? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q12>
> Can I tow with the 
> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q13>
> Do the back seats fold down in the 
> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q14>
> Can the Prius be 
> jump-started?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q15>
> How can I be sure the mileage is genuine on the cars you are 
> selling?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q16>
> Does the price on your cars include a warranty and on-road 
> costs?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q17>

> Can I trade in my non-hybrid car on a hybrid car at *The Clean Green Car
Company*? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q24>

> Are English language owner's manuals available for the 
> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q23>
> What are LEVs, ULEVs, SULEVs and 
> AT-PZEVs?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q18>
> What is the emissions rating of 
> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q19>
> I don't live in Auckland; can I buy a car from you and if so what is the
process? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q20>
> What's the difference between Toyota's and Honda's Hybrid 
> Systems?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q21>
> What is the downside of owning a Hybrid 
> car?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q22>


What is a hybrid vehicle?

A hybrid car combines a petrol-powered engine with an electric motor to
provide improved fuel economy and help lower emissions. [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


Do I need to plug the Prius in?

Never. The Prius automatically recharges its batteries using regenerative
braking, or by running the on-board generator. The driver never needs to
worry about recharging the battery. [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


What Petrol do I use in the Prius?

The Prius runs better on the cheaper 91 octane unleaded. [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


What fuel economy can I expect from the Prius?

You can expect to easily achieve 5ltr/100km (20km/ltr or 56miles/gallon)
although most of our customers seem to achieve even better results than this
with some achieving as low as 4.4ltr/100km (22.7km/ltr or 64miles/gallon)
over a great distance.


Typically you can expect between 4.7 and 5.2 litre per 100km depending on
how you drive. [back to 
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


How does the Prius perform and handle compared to conventional vehicles?

The Toyota Prius feels and drives like a normal automatic car with the
exception that when idling and driving at low speeds, the petrol engine cuts
out, in favour of the electric motor. It is also quieter and smoother
overall than you average car. Although the Toyota Prius Hybrid only has a
1500cc petrol engine when combined with the power of the electric motor it
feels more like a 2.4 litre car to drive. Basically the Toyota Prius
performs just the same as an equivalent sized non-hybrid car - it achieves
its fantastic fuel economy with no compromise in performance. [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


Is Prius available in a manual transmission?

No. The Prius doesn't use any kind of transmission found in a conventional
non-hybrid car. In fact there is no step gear transmission in the Prius - it
only has one gear ratio. Instead, in the Prius, all the torque is provided
by the electric motors. However for the end user it is just the same as any
other automatic car to drive.  [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


Can Prius run on electricity when it runs out of petrol?

No. Although the Prius can operate in electric-only mode when petrol is in
the tank, it is not designed to run without petrol. Doing so could cause
damage to the hybrid system, so, like any other car, drivers should be sure
to keep petrol in the tank of their Prius at all times. [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


How does Prius compare to conventional cars with respect to safety features?

The Prius is equipped with many advanced safety features. The Prius helps
avoid accidents altogether with a standard Anti-lock Brake System (ABS). In
an accident, its strong mono-form shape, front & rear crumple zones, side
intrusion bars and driver & front passenger multi-stage airbags help shield
its occupants from harm. The battery pack is sealed and has built-in
security measures that completely isolate it from the rest of the car to
prevent any chance of shock in the case of an accident. The Toyota Prius
Generation II (2000 - 2003) has an NCAP (New Car Assessment Program) rating
of 4 stars. This is the highest rating given to a car of its design year.
The Toyota Prius Generation III (2003 onwards) has an NCAP rating of 5
stars, the highest rating available.  [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


Who can service my Prius and how often does it need to be done?

Any reputable mechanical workshop can do the standard servicing because the
Prius' service requirements are the same as any non-hybrid car meaning
it only needs an oil and filter change every 15,000km or one year, which
ever comes first. The battery pack doesn't require any service, in the same
way that you don't service the battery in your cell phone and the electric
motor doesn't require any service, in the same way you don't service the
electric motor in your washing machine. [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


Who can do repair work if something were to go wrong with my Prius?

In the unlikely event of any problems with your Toyota Prius *The Clean
Green Car Company* can put you in touch with any one of the 120 independent
workshops nation wide or a Toyota franchise service centre that have Prius
diagnostic equipment.

[back to top <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>]


How long will the Prius last?

The Toyota Prius is designed to be as durable as any other Toyota, which
considering Toyota's reputation, is a pretty long time. [back to
top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
]


How long does the battery last in the Prius, and how much will it cost to
replace?

The Prius battery is designed to last the lifetime of the vehicle and
considering that the Prius is designed to be as durable as any other Toyota,
and considering Toyota's reputation, that is a pretty long time. Toyota have
lab data showing the Prius battery can do 290,000km of normal driving with
absolutely no degradation of the battery's performance. To give some real
life examples, there is a Taxi driver from British Columbia, Jatinder
Parhar, who has done over 410,000km in his Prius Taxi and has had to do
nothing to his Prius other than standard servicing. (*click to read more
here*) <http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Toyota_Prius.htm#hybridtaxi>. Toyota
has sold over 500,000 Generation II and III Prius worldwide and say they
have never had to supply a battery pack for replacement due to wear and
tear. (*click here to read Toyota Press
release*).<http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2004062345528>Given
all this, the price of a replacement battery is probably irrelevant,
however in the extremely unlikely event you needed to replace the battery in
your Prius, current cost, at time of writing (Feb 2008), is NZ$4500.00 for a
Generation II Prius and NZ$3150 for a Generation III Prius. However this is
coming down all the time. When we first looked into this at 3 years ago the
battery packs were priced at $7000 each. We believe the price will fall to
around $2000 within a year or so given the increased production of Hybrid
Vehicles using this type of battery. For piece of mind every Toyota Prius
brought from The Clean Green Car Company is covered by a 2 year, unlimited
km Hybrid Car Warranty that includes cover for the battery pack. [back to
top <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>]


On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Stasys Petravicius <stasys1@cox.net> wrote:

> Henning- Common sense is a rare commodity these days. We drove Mercedes
> diesels from 1971 to about 1990. Averaged about 27 mpg no matter how you
> drove them. In 1971 diesel was $0.27 per gallon- so it was $0.01 per mile
> for fuel. Now it's a big multiple of that. My most efficient car gets about
> 18 in town and 25 on the road. No progress in my stable of cars. What is 
> the
> cost to change the battery pack in a Toyota Prius? Stasys
>
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:
>
>  At 4:21 PM -0400 10/27/08, Charles Hehl wrote:
>>
>>> I just purchased a new GMC diesel truck and it requires ultra low sulfur
>>> diesel fuel as it is designed to meet the 2010 EPA standards for 
>>> pollutants.
>>> I also understand that most states now only sell the ultra low sulfur 
>>> diesel
>>> fuel and that it takes a bit more refining to make...hence the higher 
>>> price.
>>>
>>> Charlie Hehl
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's the fuel that's been available in Europe for 10 years or more, and
>> why we in North America are only now getting the better diesel engined
>> European cars.
>>
>> About 2000 I asked a VW dealer here why we didn't get the more interesting
>> diesel cars, and he said that:
>>
>> 1. No one wanted diesels and he wouldn't be able to sell them
>>
>> 2. They (the oil companies) couldn't make that kind of fuel here and
>>
>> 3. The hybrids have a lot better fuel consumption numbers
>>
>>
>> All of these are only partially true, because
>>
>> 1. No salesmen could sell them because they didn't have any to sell
>>
>> 2. The oil companies had other priorities
>>
>> 3. Hybrids and diesel powered cars excel at different types of driving,
>> but hybrids tend to be more expensive up front, and rarely repay the
>> increased capital cost.
>>
>>
>> So bring on the better diesel cars!
>>
>> VW still doesn't get it; they will now offer one car, the Jetta, with a
>> diesel engine that gives the worst consumption/performance combination of
>> those they offer in Europe. Go figure.
>>
>>
>> --
>>   *            Henning J. Wulff
>>  /|\      Wulff Photography & Design
>>  /###\   mailto:henningw@archiphoto.com
>>  |[ ]|     http://www.archiphoto.com
>>
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-- 
Regards,

Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
USA

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