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Subject: Was RE: [Leica] software licensing question Now S Leicas
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Sat Oct 18 17:36:43 2008
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No I have no need nor budget for the S system. I am very happy with the M of
course. I bet that we get some technology trickle down later though.
I don't think that the S system is meant to substitute for M or R naturally.
Compare the prices against the other medium format pro systems is more
relevant, maybe? I had to grin a little when I read recently, the S lenses
will cost less than the new Nocti. That's not much of a limitation!
I do think that it is a massive step for Leica and demonstrates Dr
Kaufmann's commitment at the very least. 
Incidentally in the current economic situation our higher yielding Aussie
currency has suffered terribly. I'm talking depreciation by a third against
the USD over a couple of months. I don't even want to think about new Leica
prices!

Here is the text of Dr Kaufmann's speech on the eve of Photokina. You can
use Goggle translate if you would like to get the sense of it.
http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Leica-das-sind-Freunde


Cheers
Geoff
Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt. 
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question


On Oct 18, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> Hmm, that's a pretty negative take on it! There is a whole speech in 
> the middle dealing with the new S system. There are also several 
> superb new M lenses. I thought that Leica had a very good Photokina 
> myself. I was just taken with the German alliteration of Masse-Klasse 
> especially. I read the translation of the speech from the original 
> German with Google translate, since my smattering of high school 
> German is definitely not up to the task
> ;-)


tittilating, but ominous when they have made the case for its cost before
they have made the camera....

I hope you will be able to afford one,

Steve

>
>
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt.
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
> Of Steve Barbour
> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 09:06
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Literally - high-volume production is no alternative to high-class 
>> production - The R10 is on its way
>
>
> nothing like making the apology before the camera...
>
>
> :-)
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Douglas
>>
>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keep on  upgrading, I really hope that you mean CS3 and CS4! I have 
>>>> my preorder in for CS4.
>>>> Check the upgrade options, often upgrades from earlier cost no more 
>>>> than from the current(at least for a period). Or you can get the 
>>>> current suite with a free upgrade to the latest when it hits the 
>>>> streets.
>>>> I have a melange of suites and upgrades and components here. My PS
>>>> CS3
>>>> baulked at upgrading the PS part of my CS2 suite but was happy to 
>>>> accept the serial number of my earlier stand alone CS.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I initially thought of CS4 as primarily a means of 
>>>> moving to the latest Raw support. However when you dive in it looks 
>>>> to have a lot of very good improvements.
>>>
>>> please tell us a little about these if you would Geoff...
>>>
>>> also what does the German phrase below mean, why in German?
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Geoff
>>>> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt.
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of lug
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 01:38
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question
>>>>
>>>> Aah, the fine print.  Thanks Brian!
>>>>
>>>> leo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Brian Reid wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No. That is in violation of the Terms and Conditions in the 
>>>>> upgrade contract.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> so if i buy an upgrade for photoshop 4,  can i sell my upgrade 
>>>>>> version of photoshop 3 to someone who wants to upgrade from 
>>>>>> photoshop 2?
>>>>>
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