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Subject: [Leica] M8 firmware upgrade
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey@mchsi.com)
Date: Mon Sep 22 07:45:55 2008

Sonny,

Same here for Italy and Poland, no problem with credit/cash cards at all.

Gene

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Sonny Carter" <sonc.hegr@gmail.com>
>
> I haven't been to Gemany in a while, but in my recent visit to Ireland, 
> even
> in the sleepiest villages they happily took my Visa and Amex cards.  They
> even had wireless terminals they brought to the table to do the 
> transaction.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Frank Dernie
> <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>wrote:
> 
> > I don't think the commission is unique to Germany, my brother is 
> > certainly
> > loathe to accept American Express in his business since their commission 
> > is
> > still higher than other cards. The attitude to Credit Cards in Germany is
> > unlike any of the other 20 countries I regularly visit.
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > On 22 Sep, 2008, at 12:16, Douglas Sharp wrote:
> >
> >  It's got nothing to do with trust, Frank.
> >>
> >> Smaller businesses have to pay up to 4 percent of the billed sum as
> >> charges for credit card sales. On cash cards (Maestro/direct debit) they
> >> only pay 0.3 percent. I think if I was looking at a difference between 4
> >> Euros and 30 cents per 100 Euros of my takings, I would be reluctant to 
> >> take
> >> the credit card too.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Douglas
> >>
> >> Frank Dernie wrote:
> >>
> >>> I work for a client in Cologne. I visit there frequently. Pretty well
> >>> everything is cash only, my client says Germans don't trust credit and
> >>> almost never borrow. Even my UK Eurocard cash card will not work there 
> >>> since
> >>> they won't take anything without a CE mark.
> >>> I have to get cash out of the cash machine. That is one reason why I 
> >>> have
> >>> never managed to buy a Leica in Germany, never enough cash on me.
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 22 Sep, 2008, at 10:41, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Douglas,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, that was our experience with TUI Fly, they ignored my Camera Bag,
> >>>> but the rest went as check in.  If they had weighed my camera bag, it 
> >>>> would
> >>>> also have had to go check in, as the computer and a bunch of other 
> >>>> stuff 
> was
> >>>> in it.  ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> As for the card situation, the farther East in Germany (Berlin) it is
> >>>> better, but in the Thuringen area, they flatly said No Credit Cards 
> >>>> of any
> >>>> kind.  Even Cash Cards, which is what we have been using.  Here in
> >>>> Oberbergesihes land (Gummersbach) and Rhineland (Koln) they are very 
> adamant
> >>>> about not taking anything except the Eurocard.  Last week I went to 
> >>>> buy a
> >>>> light jacket in a major department store in Koln, and had to use 
> >>>> cash, as
> >>>> they do not except cards.  Luckily I had enough with me, but I do not
> >>>> normally carry cash, as I use my cash card instead.  Even the Leica 
> >>>> Store 
> at
> >>>> the factory does not except credit cards.  We have had no such 
> >>>> problems in
> >>>> Italy, even in small villages, and in Poland this trip.
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, I think we will be in your part of the country the first
> >>>> week of October.  Maybe we can meet up?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Gene
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>>> From: Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@gmx.de>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of our local low-cost carriers in Germany (TUIFly) allows 5 kilos
> >>>>> (about 10 lbs) of cabin baggage + 1 laptop. They however never seem 
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> check the weight of the hand baggage (a smallish camera back pack), 
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> they do check the size in a sort of frame in front of the check-in
> >>>>> counter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They probably think that nobody is daft enough to carry quite a bit
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> more than 5 kilos in a small backpack :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have found that most German stores DO accept Visa or Mastercard, 
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> very, very reluctantly - most of them prefer to use direct-debit
> >>>>> (Maestro) with or without PIN input, or straight cash.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Douglas
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Clive Moss wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Have you had any problems with carry-on weight on local airlines? 
> >>>>>> Many
> >>>>>> airlines weight limit of 15lbs or so is loosely enforced, but a 
> >>>>>> killer
> >>>>>> if
> >>>>>> one has a laptop and camera gear. I had to check a carry-on on my 
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>> trip
> >>>>>> back from Australia, but they fortunately did not weigh my camera 
> >>>>>> bag,
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>> was smaller, but probably weighed more!
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Clive
> >>>>>> http://clive.moss.net/blog
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 2:44 PM, <grduprey@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Steve,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well the same security checks that are seen at US airports are in
> >>>>>>> effect
> >>>>>>> here, and in my experience not a big deal.  The lines seem shorter
> >>>>>>> here
> >>>>>>> though.  Train security is pretty much non-existant, and this is 
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> area
> >>>>>>> where you need to watch your bags for theft.  So far we have been
> >>>>>>> lucky, but
> >>>>>>> I do keep an eye out for curious characters.  So far we have used
> >>>>>>> local
> >>>>>>> airlines twice, TUI Fly and German Wings, and the train 3 times 
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> good
> >>>>>>> results.  For the train we decided to go with the EuroPass which
> >>>>>>> seems to be
> >>>>>>> pretty painless, although it is expensive to purchase, but over all
> >>>>>>> it runs
> >>>>>>> a bit less for overall cost, and you ride first class, so you get
> >>>>>>> seats with
> >>>>>>> more comfort and also have power outlets for your computer and 
> >>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>> electrical toys.  One problem with the EuroPass is it may not be
> >>>>>>> valid in
> >>>>>>> the ex-Soviet block countries... Ours was not valid in Poland, so 
> >>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>> had to
> >>>>>>> pay for the train to Berlin, although not very expensive at all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Concerning electrical devices, most if not all current devices work
> >>>>>>> on all
> >>>>>>> power sources, so you need only a plug adapter, not the old
> >>>>>>> converters.  I
> >>>>>>> have sleep apnea, so I use a CPAP machine, I had no adapter plug, 
> >>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>> I used
> >>>>>>> a power adapter from our trip 4 years ago, it did not have enough
> >>>>>>> juice to
> >>>>>>> run it.  A quick trip to the Saturn store and they had a chord that
> >>>>>>> fit and
> >>>>>>> now I have a proper power connector with cable.  The M8 charger 
> >>>>>>> comes
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> the plug needed, and I got a plug kit from my Apple dealer in the 
> >>>>>>> US
> >>>>>>> prior
> >>>>>>> to leaving to use with the MackBook power cube and cable.  So make
> >>>>>>> sure you
> >>>>>>> have the proper plug.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For the most part the trip has been relatively trouble free.  Even
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> Taxis in Poland are reliable and cheap.  I will say that between 
> >>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>> trip in
> >>>>>>> '04 and this one, things in Poland have greatly improved, we have 
> >>>>>>> had
> >>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>> problems finding people who speak English (Which is good as my
> >>>>>>> attempts at
> >>>>>>> learning Polish are poor at best, a very complicated language for 
> >>>>>>> me)
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> credit/cash cards are accepted just about everywhere, which is more
> >>>>>>> than I
> >>>>>>> can say about Germany credit card wise.  Outside of the Credit/Cash
> >>>>>>> card
> >>>>>>> problem, Germany is great also.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>>>>>> From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  On Sep 20, 2008, at 2:39 AM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Steve,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure I qualify as a big time traveler, but this trip
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> surely the biggest we have ever attempted.  ;-)  The Macbook has
> >>>>>>>>> been a real joy to work with and fits into my camera bag very
> >>>>>>>>> nicely, but adds weight... No surprise!  As for e-mail access, it
> >>>>>>>>> has not been bad, only a few spots so far with no access, mostly 
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the ex-GDR hotels this past week.  OUtside of hotels, you should
> >>>>>>>>> expect to pay for access, as not all have free internet services.
> >>>>>>>>> In Poland the hotel had free internet WiFi in Warsaw's Old Town.
> >>>>>>>>> Italy was also not a problem, but the hotel in Milan had a high 
> >>>>>>>>> fee
> >>>>>>>>> for its use, where in Venice it was free.  Germany on the whole 
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> also not a problem except for this past week in the fore 
> >>>>>>>>> mentioned
> >>>>>>>>> Ex GDR area in the Thuringen area.  Photo opertunities are great 
> >>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> expected.  And I am looking forward to Photokina next Friday and
> >>>>>>>>> Saturday (26th & 27th).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The only down side has been my wife catching a bug this past week
> >>>>>>>>> and has not been able to get out of the house since, but she is
> >>>>>>>>> finally getting better.  She needs to get better soon as the two
> >>>>>>>>> things she has really wanted to do are coming up soon... This 
> >>>>>>>>> week
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> trip down the Rhine, and in the first part of October the trip to
> >>>>>>>>> Paris.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The weather is starting to cool down, so we may just have to 
> >>>>>>>>> take a
> >>>>>>>>> trip to Spain and visit Luis and Nathan in the second half of
> >>>>>>>>> October to get warmed up again.  ;-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Not sure if that answers your questions, but so far no real
> >>>>>>>>> problems.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  great to hear, how about passing travel security and concern re
> >>>>>>>> theft?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Gene
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>>>>>>>> From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:03 AM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Steve,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That seems to be the opinion on the LUF also, however, I have 
> >>>>>>>>>>> yet
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> try it.  The turn on and format functions are greatly improved
> >>>>>>>>>>> though, I need to get me a couple of 4G SDHC cards to try out
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> part, but not sure where to go here in Germany, I'm in
> >>>>>>>>>>> Eckenhagen,
> >>>>>>>>>>> about 60 -80 Km East of Koln, (I'm not in Iowa anymore, 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Toto...).
> >>>>>>>>>>>  I
> >>>>>>>>>>> guess I can get some at Photokina next week, and try it out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>  with all of your travels Gene, how are you managing with the
> >>>>>>>>>> computer /
> >>>>>>>>>> e-mail access...give us a few tips...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Steve Unsworth <lug@steveunsworth.co.uk>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>  It could be my imagination, but noise seems better controlled 
> >>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> high ISOs
> >>>>>>>>>>>> too. I need to run some better tests, at the moment I'm using 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/9/08 22:19, "Sonny Carter" <sonc.hegr@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  Just downloaded it and tried out the auto ISO, and it works
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> smoothly and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
> Natchitoches, Louisiana
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