Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/09/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Lottermoser George wrote: > I agree with > all of your points > including the 'so on' > I also agree > with many (not all) > of his points > > for any of us > who held a place > of respect and significant income > due to some combination > of skill and tools > everything has changed > > change generally > comes with a cost > > some resent change > some embrace change > > I do miss > the drawing board > and ruling pens > focusing the grain on the easel > and print appearing > in the tray > > but most of all > I miss being > a big fish in a tiny pool > of highly skilled craftsmen > rather than > a small fish in an ocean > of digital aficionados > ; ~ ) like I said to Nathan... for pros digital can be very bad, maybe good for some... for amateurs, we can have the best of both worlds, and enjoy film and digital... differently, Steve > > > Fond regards, > George > > george@imagist.com > http://www.imagist.com > http://www.imagist.com/blog > http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist > > > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Sorry to disagree completely... >> >> Thanks to digital technology, I am able to look at incredibly >> moving pictures made by a doctor in Arizona... >> Thanks to digital technology, I can see places I would never see >> otherwise... >> Thanks to digital technology, I can share my own work with a >> worldwide audience... >> >> and so on. >> >> Yes, conditions for professional photographers have changed. As >> they have for auto workers, for college professors, for just about >> anyone who works for a living. >> >> But I sure would not want to go back 20 years. >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> On Sep 17, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Steve Barbour wrote: >> >>> from another (computer) list... >>> >>> relevant, a very good summary I think, but many here have heard >>> it, have lived it, and many have to deal with it now... >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> ************** >>>> Well Shawn, >>>> >>>> I beg to differ. Life is not as simple as people wish it to be, >>>> I'm afraid.... >>>> >>>> Without beating my own drum, I would say that I'm probably in a >>>> better position to comment on this than many, having been a >>>> working professional photographer for 22 years now... >>>> >>>> I've lived and worked through the demise of film and the advent >>>> of digital, and I can honestly say with my hand on my heart that >>>> I never used to waste so much 'down-time' as I do now having to >>>> keep abreast and paying for technology that at the end of the day >>>> does the same thing that it did 22 years ago...that is make >>>> photographs. >>>> >>>> OH - I can now wizz them across the planet in zilch time. Big >>>> Deal. That doesn't help my bottom line. It just adds more stress >>>> to my work day. Clients do not want to pay for this. They expect >>>> it in with the package these days....They want me not only to >>>> drive to the location (300 mile trip) shoot the photos, but also >>>> develop them and "ping" them over to the US or wherever before I >>>> go to bed. Its totally pants. When I shoot, I simply don't >>>> sleep...which makes me ill....which creates more stress blah de >>>> blah...But I digress... >>>> >>>> When I started professional photography in 1986 I saved my money >>>> and invested in a medium format system that served me well for >>>> many years - I still have it and it still works now and takes >>>> beautiful photographs. Clients used to be happy to pay for the >>>> film and processing. Job Done. >>>> >>>> I also have a Nikon D3 (and had D2x and D100 and .....get the >>>> picture - pardon the pun) and with each camera purchase comes a >>>> raft of disappointments as the latest camera body doesn't work >>>> well with last years lens...Take for example the D3...Nikons >>>> current flagship model...It doesn't even work properly with the >>>> current 70-200 f2.8 VR lens - Yes, I grant you it works sort >>>> of...as long as you are prepared to live with massive >>>> vingretting...the whole digitisation of the industry is quite >>>> shocking. So when Photokina is launched next week (yet another >>>> commercial merry-go-round), I'll be having to keep an eye out to >>>> replace another $2,500 lens....The one I'm replacing is only 2 >>>> years old !! >>>> >>>> And no Shawn...this didn't use to happen with film. I know. >>>> Because I remember. You bought a Hasslebald lens...it would last >>>> decades. >>>> >>>> The reality for photographers is that we are having to waste all >>>> our time and effort "learning" new ways to make the same wheel, >>>> rather than creating challenging and creative imagrey. Digital >>>> Technology has been a complete disaster for independant >>>> photography, as sole traders like myself simply do not have >>>> enough hours in the day to do and learn all the technology. >>>> >>>> But somehow we have to. But don't tell me its "always been like >>>> this" Because that's simply an inaccurate statement. It has never >>>> been like this before ! Technology is simply undermining and >>>> blocking true creativity and real life observation skills. And no >>>> amount of pixel counting and special effects in Photoshop will >>>> change this, or make the person using the computer a better >>>> photographer. >>>> >>>> I would also add that in my experience Computer Technology has >>>> undermined what photography is about..people look at my images >>>> these days and "assume" they were done in Photoshop ! Even the >>>> documentary images - this destroys the very essense of what I >>>> stand for. >>>> >>>> Because of Technology - Photography is no longer 'trusted' to >>>> represent anything more than a glint in someones eye, and has >>>> been ruthlessly commodotised. I've even had "serious" discussions >>>> with clients telling me I should charge for my photos by the MB - >>>> and not by any aesthetic principle... >>>> >>>> Its all very insulting to be honest... >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> David Townend Photography >>>> >>>> http://www.davidtownend.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17 Sep 2008, at 16:27, Shawn King wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Photographers (and others) have *always* gone through this, >>>>> computers or >>>>> not, digital or not. >>>>> >>>>> The technology of almost everything moves forward those who rely >>>>> on that >>>>> technology for whatever reasons move forward with it - or they >>>>> get left >>>>> behind. >>>>> -- >>>>> Shawn King >>>>> Host/Executive Producer >>>>> Your Mac Life >>>>> http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information