[Leica] Another first..Slide film

[rgacpa at yahoo.com (Bob Adler)]

Agreed. I stopped using Velvia in my M's because it was very unforgiving 
(exposure range wise). Negative film worked much better despite the loss in 
saturation.
Velvia, for me, is meant for small spot metering. Expose so that the 
highlights aren't blown. Figure you have 5 stops of light you can capture. 
Meter the brightest area you want any detail in; meter the darkest shadow 
you want detail of. If there are 5 stops in between, you're good. Set your 
camera in the middle and shoot. If there are more than 5 stops, keep the 
same camera setting and loose some shadow and hope you can draw out some 
detail when you print.
At least that's what Yoda taught me and I think it works...
Not real easy to do for photojournalistic photography IMO. Better for 
landscapes where you have time...
YMMV,
Bob

?Bob Adler
Palo Alto, CA
http://www.raflexions.com



----- Original Message ----
From: Frank Filippone <red735i@earthlink.net>
To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:33:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Another first..Slide film

Specifically which images do you feel are underexposed?

Keeping in mind that the M6 has a spot meter whose circular spot size is
about 1/3 the height of the frame, in the middle...... of the lens in use...
not the whole RF, just the VF area of the 35mm frame lines.....

Spot meters are not so easy to use without thought..... you have to
purposefully point the metering area at the "middle gray" area... then
recompose to shoot.? The center of the frame is not always middle gray nor
is middle gray area always? in the center of the frame.... 

If you are consistently 1/2 stop off on ALL your images, then adjust the ASA
to compensate.? Either your lab is processing off center or your meter is
measuring off center.? Either is OK, and is (probably) not worth fixing...
LF and especially B+W? photographers do it all the time.... 

However, if some of your shots are spot on, and others are off....try to
figure what you did to meter the image.... then, very clinically, diagnose
the image density to see if you measured wrong....did you point at the wrong
area?? Was the "middle grey" of the center part of your image always OK, but
the other areas were? off?? Keep in mind that is the average of the light
areas in the middle of the image that count.....average being the operative
word.....? Look at your failures as images as well... just because the image
is not what you want does not mean that you can not learn from it.....

Your images, to me, and assuming you did not PS them at all, seem like the
problem is as I first described.... you are pointing the? camera at the
image you want, metering, and shooting.. no re-composition....? See the
image of the Girl on the couch.....Girl outdoors at Chipotle.......Diana
cameras stacked up......

The outside picture of the Guy against the beat up garage door is just
fine.. but the lighting was very even across the scene....
Ditto the staircase with the writing on the steps.....

Why did the window shot work?? Because the brightness of the window light
mixed with the darkness of the staircase to give you? the right AVERAGE
light..... 
Ditto the door in the garage....

Manual Metering is not easy.? It is why AE cameras have lots of metering
modes..... unfortunately, you have to learn each one on your own to manually
meter....

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net


-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Yama
Nawabi
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:09 AM
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: [Leica] Another first..Slide film

http://flickr.com/photos/helloyama/

shot with velvia, m6ttl, and Summicron 35 v3

i still need to work on metering with the m6, a lot of shots are
underexposed, so I guess I need to overexpose a half stop to a stop.

Does anyone have any tips? Thanks!

-Yama Nawabi


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