Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/06/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Looks like Agfa Brovira #6 in straight Dektol!!! When maybe it would have looked better on #3! White skies like that is what your teacher will tell you early on is the first thing you want to not have happen. I've heard say black and white photography is mainly a contrast problem. mark@rabinergroup.com Mark William Rabiner > From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:39:16 -0700 > To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>, LEG <leica@freelists.org>, LRF > <leicareflex@freelists.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Paris, again... > > > On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Ted Grant wrote: > >> Steve Barbour showed and asked: >> >> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Paris, again... >> >> On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Ted Grant wrote: >> >>> STEVE SAID: >> >>> I wanted to capture the vertical lines of the bridge, the pont des >> arts...leading the eye up river, toward the man and the woman, toward >> Paris...(and also the sky was so drab)<<< >> >>> Sorry mate absolutely no excuse. period!<<<<<<< >> >> Ted offered bluntly: >> >>> Straighten it up, as you are a far better photographer than the >>> presented >> "tilted" image. And I don't give a flying hoop what others may say. >> It's >> either absolutely right or it isn't! And in this case it isn't >> absolutely >> right! Fix it! >> >> Steve asked: >> >>>> just maybe we're talking about two different things Ted, >> >> in any case I'm just not, I am not following you my friend...fix what >> please? <<< >> >> Good morning Steve, >> >> First things first: The view, the moment, the angle are right on the >> button. >> It doesn't get much better than it is! Your logic for taking the >> picture >> isn't what I'm trying to point out because that part is as good as >> it gets. >> And your reason for making the shot is right on the mark; >> >>>> I wanted to capture the vertical lines of the bridge, the pont des >> arts...leading the eye up river, toward the man and the woman, toward >> Paris...(and also the sky was so drab)<<< >> >> Ted returned with: >> >>>> Sorry mate absolutely no excuse. period!<< >> >> Now I see why the confusion, sorry, bad writing explanation on my >> part. :-( >> Sometimes much easier face to face and quicker than writing. >> >> As you pointed out, the sky was drab so I understand your slight >> tilt down >> to cut some of the sky in the viewfinder creating the distortion in >> the >> buildings right and left sides of the frame. This has nothing to do >> with the >> immediate content of man-woman nor moment and positive logic for >> shooting >> the photo. >> >> It's simply "technical camera handling" and fixing it in the darkroom. >> >> This can be corrected by slightly tilting the paper easel upward or on >> screen software to square the buildings to vertically correct lines >> before >> printing. In this case it's so slight it's easily straightened without >> losing the feel of the moment in the photograph. Or missing it when >> editing. >> >> The other option in this case with the drab sky . "Keep the camera >> absolutely straight, crop the sky later when making a print or >> onscreen >> image. >> >> I may sound like an old grouch about what some see as a "nothing >> hardly >> noticeable vertical line" in holding the camera straight. But trust >> me I >> learned little things like this from some of most hard assed photo >> editors >> you could ever shoot for and they made me become a better >> photographer, as >> it's the simple things that can slip by when editing our own work. >> >> And certainly none of you have ever had Sandy Carter as a photo >> editor!!! >> Because she can almost bring you to tears when she makes a point >> about the >> tiny things I did wrong. Or I missed by not scanning the internal >> viewfinder >> edges for little things sticking into the frame. OR.. Not holding >> the camera >> straight. She's awesome when I've made some simple error, savage >> sometimes. >> On occasion with a smile, but the tone of voice rattles yer inner >> bones!! >> >> Her response . "What? You don't want to be the best you can be?" OR, >> "Is >> this one of your all time best photographs illustrating your photo >> reputation?" My response? "OK take it out." But we did have some >> great >> battles. I always lost! :-) >> >> The worst part with her or any excellent photo editor is, when they >> point >> out one has missed a tiny little thing and taken the edge off what >> would be >> the perfect image! I wont go into the day while on a shoot I didn't >> use a >> spot meter after she pointed it out! Then standing at the light table >> editing later! >> >> Steve, hopefully I've presented this correctly this time. If not let >> me know >> and I'll phone you later today toward supper time and we can talk. > > thank you very much Ted... I understand... > > I'm going back to the original file... > > > I will work on it... > > > Steve > > >> >> >> ted >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information